Posts by lriddle80

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

God had to do certain things in order for his master plan to come to fruition. Specifically that Jesus could be born into the world and go to the cross to save mankind and now I think that all the dominoes have to fall for the rest of his plan to take place. His will is for everyone to get saved, so we're in this grace period where anyone who calls on his son can receive eternal life, and we wait and try to get as many people on the rescue boats, so to speak.

Also.

When we were children and our parents, who had much more knowledge than we had, gave us rules or instructions what did we do? We threw a fit and cried about how unfair they were. We may have assumed they were cruel and didn't love us. But then we grew up and realized they were right and we didn't fully understand the way the world works. I think it is similar with God and us, his children.

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Unbelief and Salvation

by lriddle80 in

hebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.

8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.

lriddle80

Cofty OK!

Nice to meet you Paul! All the best people are bonkers! 😀

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Unbelief and Salvation

by lriddle80 in

hebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.

8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.

lriddle80

Ok, that's what I'll pray for you then and I'll pray God gives me insights on these issues.

My name is Lori, nice to make all your acquaintances.

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Unbelief and Salvation

by lriddle80 in

hebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.

8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.

lriddle80

They are your objections. We could discuss culture and God working within the boundaries of evil humanity...I'm sure God is the only one who can turn a heart though.

I only slept about 4 hours last night thinking about all of this and praying for you and all the people I love who are far from God. Maybe I'll never see any of my prayers come to fruition. Many people have told me to give up on certain people but I never will. I'll die first. Once you're in my heart that's it.

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Unbelief and Salvation

by lriddle80 in

hebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.

8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.

lriddle80

Ok, well I'm probably going to pray for you for the rest of my life because love always hopes. 💕

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Unbelief and Salvation

by lriddle80 in

hebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.

8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.

lriddle80

Ok. Well I guess people can forfeit their salvation with unbelief. I just don't see why anyone would want to. Once you've tasted the goodness of God and seen the miracles. I couldn't do it knowing what I know now.

I lived as an atheist for about 10 years after leaving JW and it was hell for me!

As soon as I heard that I could possibly be forgiven by Jesus I ran to him! My JW family wasn't offering forgiveness, the JW weren't offering forgiveness. Then I performed religion for 10 years and I always felt like something was missing.

Then about 5 years ago I really understood that I couldn't save myself that Jesus had to do it because he was God and I wasn't and I humiliated myself and bowed my knee. I don't feel like anything is missing now.

I think about those 2 experiences and wonder if I was in a saved state before I truly understood the gospel. I could intellectually tell you anything about the bible or salvation and i believed i was saved before, but I was missing something.

And we don't know if anyone else is saved, and maybe leaving and putting belief on hold is part of a faith journey.

Only God knows a person's heart. I want everyone to be saved because I love people and I end up caring about people and so I contend for them. That's all. So, I feel sad for you, those that choose to forfeit love. I was once that person, but thanks be to God for not leaving me there.

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Unbelief and Salvation

by lriddle80 in

hebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.

8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.

lriddle80

Hebrews 6:4-8

For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. 7 For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.

But then I read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.

But then 2 Timothy says

The saying is trustworthy, for:

If we have died with him, we will also live with him;
12 if we endure, we will also reign with him;
if we deny him, he also will deny us;
13 if we are faithless, he remains faithful—

for he cannot deny himself.

Some would say a person that is truly saved can not lose their salvation and that a truly saved person, sealed in the Holy Spirit would never become an unbeliever, but some have made that claim.

I would love to believe that upon profession of faith, they are saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit that no matter what happens they *have* that salvation, but I'm not so sure when I read scriptures like above.

What do you think? Let's talk about it!!

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would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

were you more happy pimi?

are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

lriddle80

Ok. But did you realize "Jesus is God" at some point? I wrestled for over 10 years as a Christian after salvation until I admitted it. Did you ever make the leap? Just say no if you didn't.

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would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

were you more happy pimi?

are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

lriddle80

Curious...Did you ever come to the realization that Jesus is God in your time as a "Born again Christian" Just wondering!

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would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

were you more happy pimi?

are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

lriddle80

There's no way we can cheat death. We all die. But all religion and cultures throughout time have spoken and speculated about an afterlife. We hope to have a positive outcome. Many religions try to say you have to do something yourself to get to a good outcome in the afterlife, Christianity says God did something for us because humans can not do anything for ourselves to earn it. And we can't do anything to save ourselves except put faith in the *1* who can.