You're pretty typical too! But I have life in me from Jesus and a hope and a future and love and forgiveness that i can freely give to others. You just have unbelief. I can admit I don't have all the answers to the mysteries of the universe.
lriddle80
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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lriddle80
I already did. Many times. I have debated with Jehovahs witnesses in comments sections of YouTube videos and most recently my JW parents and it doesn't matter the subject. They repeat the same things and refuse to give any thought to the other person's thoughts. It's because they don't have God's spirit and neither do you. You are behaving just like that. I conceded that God killed all those people and that we don't have all the facts to determine why he did it. It doesn't change the fact that Jesus died for guilty sinners. I'm curious if you think you're a good person? Most JW can't admit they are sinners in need of a savior. They say oh we're all imperfect, but have you mourned over your own sin? Have you seen what Christ did for you and really gotten humbled by it? Salvation is humiliating. It's humiliating knowing you can't save yourself no matter what supposed good you do or performance. We are self righteous selfish people at heart. God humbles us. That tsunami should humble you as you hear Jesus words. Repent or you will likewise perish.
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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lriddle80
Ok. Salvation story?
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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lriddle80
I was trying to get you to think.
Anyway, *I* don't really have to tackle anything because this isn't my issue. I can believe that the tsunami happened and that God is love and that he loves and saves people and is *with* them in all kinds of suffering. He let's myriads of people die each day which he could have intervened, but he was most likely with them comforting them in a tangible way.
But, I don't believe you were really born again as you claimed. Tell me your salvation story and what led to you accepting Christ and receiving the Holy Spirit and how your life transformed and then I may continue.
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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lriddle80
So, let's say Hitler repented and wanted forgiveness for all the mass murdering he did. Would you be able to forgive him?
Do you believe abortion is bad in every circumstance?
You say God murdered thousands of innocent babies, and it does appear that way. He still died for me and all those people in a torturous way that is equal to what those poor people went through.
I wouldn't die for anyone. I would forgive Hitler because Jesus forgave me and I am a terrible person who has done awful things and deserved hell. I can't get past that! I can't condemn God because he didn't condemn me. Everyone that I have ever met has condemned me in some way, but not God! He will never leave me or forsake me! So I try to give that love to others. I will do that until the day I earn my wages! And he will say We'll Done good abd faithful servant!
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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lriddle80
If I don't have all the facts, how can I judge the situation? I'm not going to say Jesus isn't good and loving when he died for me. Are you willing to die for me? I didn't think so. Would you die for someone that would spit on your corpse? I didn't think so!
So my loyalty is to Jesus.
Maybe that will be my first question in heaven about why he allowed that tsunami. I am only a finite creature, how can I know or understand everything that happens?
So, for you, that understands all things apparently, you can come to that conclusion! I can't because I don't know everything!
I do know that everyone dies. Those people in Thailand would still have died of something. Death is our wages that we earn for sin. They earned their wages that day. I will earn my wages someday. You will too. Then comes judgement. You just sound like you're shaking your fist because we die. I don't blame you, it's the worst thing! Even Jesus cried about it before he was about to bring that person back from the dead. I wish death wasn't s reality. It's heartbreaking!!
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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lriddle80
So, if there is no God then love doesn't exist and we are fooling ourselves trying to find it and say it. We are Liars.
Yeah?
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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lriddle80
After reading your post.
God allowed Jesus to be murdered to carry out the plan. Jesus allowed himself to be murdered to save everyone. This is the definition of love. That he laid down his life to save us, even ones that would spit on his corpse.
I really don't believe that God murders Christian's babies and calls that good.
My point was we don't really know what is good because we don't have all the information and understanding that God has! He just told us to make disciples in his name, baptize them. Love him and love others. Have you ever tried to unconditionally love an unlovable human? It's difficult! One that I fail at daily. I rely on God's Holy Spirit to help me and when I do, then I somewhat succeed. But it's about impossible to show true love of the bible to another person. Maybe you've had better luck, but I find it nearly impossible on my own. People are selfish. So, if God isn't love then love doesn't exist either because I haven't found true love in this world from a human. They try. But it's tinged in selfishness.
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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lriddle80
What did you think of the one I posted though in the meantime?
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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....
by BeaverEater inim not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
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lriddle80
Euthyphros Dilemma:
Is an act right because God says it's so?
Does God say it's so because it's right?
Good question! I hadn't heard this before!
Reading through the Bible has been such a journey. I read the stories and sometimes have exclaimed "What?" Who I thought God was was different than who the Bible revealed him to be. Stories took turns that I didn't see coming! I heard a scripture that said Wisdom is shown to be right by what results from it. Then that time Paul said he was sad about sending a letter but later felt glad about it because it produced repentance. One time a stripper was befriended by this Christian friend of mine. Then this stripper got beat up by her boyfriend which led her to getting saved and her life transformed. Was it good she got beat up if it led her to Christ? These things made me question what is good? Maybe the world was more complex. Then guess what? The boyfriend that beat her up spent some time in prison - became a Christian himself, got out, they got married, had another child and are serving the Lord together. I never saw that coming! Was that good?
Is "good" only positive things that we think are good or is "good" a concept that goes a little deeper? I have been perplexed about this topic for a while and I keep getting surprised by God about what good means.
So, was the tsunami good? I read that it led to better forms of alerts and whatnot for that region, but that another tsunami will probably come by 2040 and kill most of the remaining people there. But that one story of that family that were separated and all reunited and survived was good. It led to us having this conversation which I personally find good.
What about what God allowed poor Job to go through? Then when God speaks I was surprised because he basically said I'm God, I created everything..what did you create? And Job got humbled and shut his mouth. That made me go hmmm. But yeah, he's God, he created everything, he gets to decide what good is. He is sovereign and knows everything. He has more knowledge than mere men so we don't know the whole story. In interactions with people..if you don't know a person's story you might not understand their behavior. When you learn the whole story, it makes sense. It doesn't make it right per se in the case of man, but the concept is there. So I guess my final answer is I don't have all the data that God has, so I am going to believe, based on the data I have that good is more complex and I believe God to be good in spite of the tsunami happening.