any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
You could reason this yourself if you had the slightest desire to understand. I've have explained it many times in many ways.
Bottom line it is not my responsibility nor Gods to make you believe something you don't want to believe.
You are totally negative. 99% indeed.
Zechariah
any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
Sixofnine,
If it is so obvious, what is the deal?
I don't understand your question. Are you implying the marvel of reproduction is NOT a controlled and directed process. Anyone who makes a claim o believing otherwise is being disingenuous in an effort to support a concept that is totally unsupportable.
Give us all a break. You're not fooling anybody with this.
Zechariah
Edited by - zechariah on 16 October 2002 22:33:2
any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
You do realise that the vast majority of species that have ever existed are extinct? Do you believe each one of those was created individually by god and then done away with for some reason? Or is it just humans that are unique?
It is clear that all species were individually created. The evidence of this is the reproductive boundaries all species have to reproduce after its own kind. It is not possible for different kinds to crossbreed.
There are even boundaries amongst species of the same kind. Examples being the horse and the donkey producing a mule which is sterile. Or a lion and a tiger producing a liger which is sterile. These boundaries could only be set by a intelligent creator.
As to why certain kinds of animals have become extinct is only subject to speculation none of anybody's I would debate. It is irrelevant to te belief in creation. For certain though God allowed it and I would guess it was to teach a lesson to mankind of his responsibility to care for the animals and prevent this from continually happening.
Zechariah
any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
Rem,
You seem to be saying the reproductive process is in someway analogous to the idea of something from nothing. This is absurd and you know it. There is nothing accidental or coincidental in the process. It is obviously directed by unseen forces and formed with unseen hands. The process is credited to the one who created man and woman with the marvelous capability to reproduce after its own kind.
Zechariah
any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
The logic is consistent. Yes it is logical to believe God was created. But if you have followed my "Little Computer People" analogy you will appreciate this. God is the creator of our world as we as humans are the creator of our computers world are not subject to the laws of the created world. Our perception of time and space do not apply to him.
The quantum leaps superiority of the creator and the difference in nature as the Computer person in contrast to the creator makes it totally impossible to comprehend the total magnificence and intelligence and nature of the creator.
We stupidly look to understand where God came from before we understand our own special origins. It is like Palmer (my computer man) trying to understand the human reproductive process. It would be incomprehensible for him.
This is totally logical (IMO). I am fully satisfied I was created to be just the way I am and did not evolve from lower forms of life. Even if so God is the intelligence that made it happen.
Zechariah
Edited by - zechariah on 16 October 2002 20:22:32
any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
Irongland,
I'm fair. Its 100% certain that the Universe was designed, and created by someone powerful and intelligent enough to do so. The certainty of this is in contrast to the certain improbability of it being an accident.
Creation is the only alternative to accident (evolution). The opposite of totally improbable is totally probable (certain). IMHO. Its not rocket science. Nothing else requires explanation because any debate about what method God used to create man is futile and unimportant.
Zechariah
i just had a great idea.it has been inspired by my own post about the comparison of the past reformers of the church with that of ex-jws who seek to reform the wts.
althouh i have gotten very few responses to my post i am convinced that most believe the protestant reformation program accurately symbolizes our own reformation efforts of the wts.
hence comes my big idea.
"I JUST HAD A GREAT IDEA"
Treat it kindly. It's in a strange place
Can you translate what you just said?
Zechariah
any of you evolutionists ever crunch the numbers?
Spanner,
I think that number is a quantumkazillion. But that is just the beginning. It would take at least another quantumkazillion times that for the formation of reproductive capability after its own kind. For male and female varieties and interaction in reproduction (another qkzl x), for adaptation to environments ( another qkzl x that), for special abilities beyond what is necessary for survival (another qkzl x that). To make the organism perfectly suited to its environment (another qkzl x that). For it all to happen in the same lifespan of the original organism (another qkzl x that).
Surely I forgot a few things. I'm not a mathematician or scientist but my gut feeling is the whole things of humans from nothing is preposterous. No scientific sounding mumbo jumbo can make me believe otherwise. I can see how science is trying to make fools of us all by trying to make us believe it is plausible to believe it took no intelligence to form and direct the development of our lives as we know it.
The wisdom of the world is foolishness to God.
Don't be a fool in Gods eyes.
Zechariah
now that you've all met palmer allow me to offer a lesson about life from a this made up scenario.. imagine palmer has the reasoning ability of a human.. palmer has a typewriter by which he types letters to me.
this is his way of communicating with me.
it is analogous to prayer for humans.
Funkey Derek,
If your analogy is correct, then you're just another player in the game and have no way of knowing or understanding the programmer's intentions. So why should we pay any attention to you?
Part of successfully playing the game is realizing that enlightenment about God and his purposes comes from Holy Spirit granted those who like myself trust and believe in him. I have tested for myself my inspirations and have determined they are from God (true). I invite evrybody else to do the same.
If my analogy is right then it would be no different than the way we create games where the computer plays itself. Or the way Palmer was designed to appear to act independently. God as a quantam leaps superior program would design his human computer people to believe just as we do totally independently of anything.
Things of the spirit (software) guide and direct everything in our lives and are subject to spiritual laws of every nature. We have been given freewill or interactive play meaning only we can make free choices what inspirations we will obey or choose to belief. That which eminates from God (is true) or that whic eminates from te Devil (is untrue). We have the responsibility of testing every inspired utterance to see if its from God.
The game from beginning to end is completed. All the paths and doorways are set. Our interactive plays allows us to choose the paths we will take. God has preknowledge of where each paths leads and he warns us in advance by means of all he inspires. Gods intention is to perfect his Child mankind to be independent adults so they can take on greater challenges and responsibilities in the universe.
The rewards for playing the game well is passed on to the individual. God has the desire that no man has to die (spiritually/seperated from God) but be turned around.
Zechariah
now that you've all met palmer allow me to offer a lesson about life from a this made up scenario.. imagine palmer has the reasoning ability of a human.. palmer has a typewriter by which he types letters to me.
this is his way of communicating with me.
it is analogous to prayer for humans.
What challenge is there if I can create a computer that can think and reason on his own to force him into robotically obeying me. I desire to make him as much like myself as possible. Give himthe intelligence to create his own things and to have his own children and pass on to them the responsiblity to train up thir own children in the way they should go so that we they reach adulthood they will not turn aside from it. We allowing for God quantum leaps superiority must realize that Mankind as a whole is Gods child. And though cells of the body may die God can regenerate new ones to take their place.
Certainly in a spanking for the education of a child there are some cells that will die. But as the scriptures say to not withhold the rod of discipline. If you spank him he will not die (physically). In Gods case spiritually. The willingness to see things from Gods perspective as is aided by my Little Computer People analogy is important to perfecting ourselves as souls.
Zechariah
