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Interesting article: Rutherford vs directors--1917

by Zero in

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here's an interesting article about rutherford versus russell's wt board of directors, relative to their being "chosen" in 1917-1918.. clear misrepresentation by the watchtower society.. http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index2.cgi?frames=no&board=main&mode=current&message=1081.

facts are not science--as the dictionary is not literature--martin h. fischer.

http://users.marshall.edu/~bady/isc203/science/facts.html

Zero

Room215 and Ozzie:
I think Mr. Persson is in touch with others working on this history, and may in fact be participating in their overall investigation.
It's an interesting topic, and somewhat validates claims by Bible Students that Russell did not originate Jehovah's Witnesses, Rutherford did. He usurped the Watch Tower corporation and magazine, illegally it seems, and separated from the Bible Student movement.

“Facts are not science--as the dictionary is not literature”--Martin H. Fischer
http://users.marshall.edu/~bady/isc203/science/facts.html

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Interesting article: Rutherford vs directors--1917

by Zero in

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here's an interesting article about rutherford versus russell's wt board of directors, relative to their being "chosen" in 1917-1918.. clear misrepresentation by the watchtower society.. http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index2.cgi?frames=no&board=main&mode=current&message=1081.

facts are not science--as the dictionary is not literature--martin h. fischer.

http://users.marshall.edu/~bady/isc203/science/facts.html

Zero

Here's an interesting article about Rutherford versus Russell's WT board of directors, relative to their being "chosen" in 1917-1918.
Clear misrepresentation by the Watchtower Society.

http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index2.cgi?frames=no&board=Main&mode=Current&message=1081

“Facts are not science--as the dictionary is not literature”--Martin H. Fischer
http://users.marshall.edu/~bady/isc203/science/facts.html

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Report from a WT elders school

by RedhorseWoman in

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found this on another ex-jw board, and thought it might be of interest.. .

culled this from a newsgroup [original.

thread http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index2.cgi?frames=no&board=main&mode=current&message=699.

Zero

Very interesting.

“Facts are not science--as the dictionary is not literature”--Martin H. Fischer
http://users.marshall.edu/~bady/isc203/science/facts.html

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REPORT - WT Elder's School

by Zero in

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interesting report from the recent elder's school.

thought you all might find it interesting.

here's a link:.

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Interesting report from the recent Elder's School. Thought you all might find it interesting. Here's a link:

http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index2.cgi?frames=no&board=Main&mode=Current&message=699

“Facts are not science--as the dictionary is not literature”--Martin H. Fischer
http://users.marshall.edu/~bady/isc203/science/facts.html

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Apt Illustration???

by Kismet in

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i used to love using illustrations in my talks (student, public whatever) even now i still use illustrations to help student's i teach in some of the courses i run.. i was thinking about something that happened to me while working for a private wealth company owned by a major canadian bank.... .

one day while the ceo was away from the office i caught a mistake going through the system involving a transaction for one of the clients and a subsequent presentation to said client regarding the changeover being undertaken.

the mistake, while approved and already initiated by those responsible, could have cost the company several tens of thousands in penalties and if finalized would have called into question this client (worth over $45 million) staying with the company.. tho not really my job, i initiated corrective measures, spent the night re-doing much of the work involved.

Zero

PS to Farkel the winner--not whiner, oh yehhh!
Speaking of what fits you perfectly, your pic fits you perfectly.

Oops .....
Okay, I quit.
Zero

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Apt Illustration???

by Kismet in

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i used to love using illustrations in my talks (student, public whatever) even now i still use illustrations to help student's i teach in some of the courses i run.. i was thinking about something that happened to me while working for a private wealth company owned by a major canadian bank.... .

one day while the ceo was away from the office i caught a mistake going through the system involving a transaction for one of the clients and a subsequent presentation to said client regarding the changeover being undertaken.

the mistake, while approved and already initiated by those responsible, could have cost the company several tens of thousands in penalties and if finalized would have called into question this client (worth over $45 million) staying with the company.. tho not really my job, i initiated corrective measures, spent the night re-doing much of the work involved.

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To Farkel the winner:

"Whiners"? Now where have we heard that "ad hominem" before? Seems like an unimaginative but popular phrase that about three or four of the board's self-proclaimed "researchers" like a lot. Say one, say they all. I guess we may expect a gang-up of the comrads now.

Let's just say my definition of a "loser" is a little different than yours. As for the rest, you don't know what you're talking about, and you're wrong.

Who was it who said: "Less than zero is a loser"
Oops, now I'm doing it. Sorry, time to quit ...
You win, Loser. (Oops, there I go again.)
Zero

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Apt Illustration???

by Kismet in

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i used to love using illustrations in my talks (student, public whatever) even now i still use illustrations to help student's i teach in some of the courses i run.. i was thinking about something that happened to me while working for a private wealth company owned by a major canadian bank.... .

one day while the ceo was away from the office i caught a mistake going through the system involving a transaction for one of the clients and a subsequent presentation to said client regarding the changeover being undertaken.

the mistake, while approved and already initiated by those responsible, could have cost the company several tens of thousands in penalties and if finalized would have called into question this client (worth over $45 million) staying with the company.. tho not really my job, i initiated corrective measures, spent the night re-doing much of the work involved.

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They claim they have "saved thousands" from the WTS clutches. But they have probably chased as many thousands right back in for so aptly protraying how the Watchtower depicts 'apostates'. I've heard more than a few say they were turned off by the way information is presented by those considered 'elite' on this relatively small group of WT expatriots.

Ray Franz has no doubt "saved thousands", and CO Jonsson. But what is the evidence these guys have "saved thousands"? You see a post now and then of testimony they provide on their own behalf.
The real scholars don't hang out here. For the average board visitor, it seems the resident clique (who don't seem to be here as much any more) spend more time on the art of smart-ass rebuttal than on substance research, which most people with a search engine, a WTCD or a visit to the TalkOrigins FAQ can do if they desire. When these men do present something worthwhile, does it really seem like the hours they obviously invested for a passe reply to some poster on this board is for anything other than their own ego? If they really want to influence "thousands", why not write a book instead of a post for "thousands of hours" of research? Some might even make a little money to sustain them for their time investment.
How many of them really seem better off and happier than they were? How can they be if they are spending all that time in WT expose without viable compensation other than accolades from a handful of admirers here who blindly agree with anything they say? Seems they spend more time at it than the average JW does in all their 5 meetings and door-to-door service.

alter-observer,
Zero

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Who Were the NWT Translators?

by AlanF in

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i just posted this information to a private email list, but i think it will be of interest to people on this board.. the following list of translators of the new world translation is a compilation from a variety of sources:.

frederick w. franz: main translator.

took liberal arts sequence at university of cincinnati; 21 semester hours of classical greek, some latin.

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Opinion:
The NWT actually loses some of its punch where it tries to be overly literal. The old KJV is matchless in the way it conveys its message concisely and poetically. Compare a couple of proverbs:

Prov.26:5
KJV - "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he become wise in his own conceit."

NWT - "Answer someone stupid according to his foolishness, that he may not become someone wise in his own eyes."

Prov.26:16
KJV - "The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason."

NWT - "The lazy one is wiser in his own eyes than seven giving a sensible reply."

The NWT's dryness forfeits some of gist that comes with good rhetoric in the psalms and proverbs, to my thinking. Not that I am a great fan of the Authorized Version, I just like the old English for a few things. On the other hand, the literalness of the NWT is much better for rendering something like "hell".

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Really Simple question for the fundys

by hippikon in

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really simple question for the fundys.

why is god invisible?

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Hippikon asked "what is faith"?"

The answer to that can vary from individual to individual on both sides of the debate. My opinion is that it is belief based on circumstantial evidence in the absense of concrete proof. This applies to both creationists and evolutionists. It could even apply to a lot of history.
My definition purposely excludes the extremists on both sides who believe whatever they want and call it faith.

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Secret Watchtower Writer Exposed

by jst2laws in

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watchtower writer exposed.

sat through the watchtower today, both my wife and i grumbling under our breath, this is a joke.

we today have clear evidence that this foretold enthronement.

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Should he be counseled for wearing a woman's 'head covering'?