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  Who Were the NWT Translators?

  by AlanF in

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  i just posted this information to a private email list, but i think it will be of interest to people on this board.. the following list of translators of the new world translation is a compilation from a variety of sources:.

  frederick w. franz: main translator.

  took liberal arts sequence at university of cincinnati; 21 semester hours of classical greek, some latin.

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  Opinion:
  The NWT actually loses some of its punch where it tries to be overly literal. The old KJV is matchless in the way it conveys its message concisely and poetically. Compare a couple of proverbs:

  Prov.26:5
  KJV - "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he become wise in his own conceit."

  NWT - "Answer someone stupid according to his foolishness, that he may not become someone wise in his own eyes."

  Prov.26:16
  KJV - "The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason."

  NWT - "The lazy one is wiser in his own eyes than seven giving a sensible reply."

  The NWT's dryness forfeits some of gist that comes with good rhetoric in the psalms and proverbs, to my thinking. Not that I am a great fan of the Authorized Version, I just like the old English for a few things. On the other hand, the literalness of the NWT is much better for rendering something like "hell".
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  Really Simple question for the fundys

  by hippikon in

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  really simple question for the fundys.

  why is god invisible?

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  Hippikon asked "what is faith"?"

  The answer to that can vary from individual to individual on both sides of the debate. My opinion is that it is belief based on circumstantial evidence in the absense of concrete proof. This applies to both creationists and evolutionists. It could even apply to a lot of history.
  My definition purposely excludes the extremists on both sides who believe whatever they want and call it faith.
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  Secret Watchtower Writer Exposed

  by jst2laws in

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  watchtower writer exposed.

  sat through the watchtower today, both my wife and i grumbling under our breath, this is a joke.

  we today have clear evidence that this foretold enthronement.

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  Should he be counseled for wearing a woman's 'head covering'?
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  Man Has a Soul. What do You Believe Now?

  by Treborr Jones in

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  i was just wondering if the ex-jw's here now believe you have a soul, or do you still hold on to the borgs claims of man/woman not having a soul.

  i for one know we do.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses' teaching about the soul did not originate with the Watchtower. This is one that Russell adapted from Adventists. Various other sects through the centuries have viewed soul in the Bible the same as the Watchtower. Having given it some independent study, it is one of the very few things I agree with the Watchtower on as far as how it was viewed by the Bible writers.
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  What first made you doubt?

  by Simon in

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  there will be one about what your favourite color is later... .

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  First doctrinal doubt: I realized I could see no basis in the Bible for belief that anyone would not die the human death as a price of sin. Proceeded to 'wait on Jehovah', but this seeded the initial doubt that God was revealing 'His' plan through the Watchtower.

  What finally convinced?
  No one certain thing. It was an accrual of issues over several years, both doctrinal and policy, which seemed to get worse with time 'waiting on Jehovah'. Probably what it boiled down to was the emphasis of organization over scripture while denying it. It was just too obvious, and kept getting more so. Disfellowshipping people - essentially casting them off as damned - for wimsical organizational reasons rather than scriptural reasons weighed heavily. The final straw came when it appeared a sister who had tried hard to measure up, finally left an abusive marriage, and was destined for disfellowshipping over it. That moment is one in my life that stands out.
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  Really Simple question for the fundys

  by hippikon in

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  really simple question for the fundys.

  why is god invisible?

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  Waiting: Its nice to meet you too.

  Hipikon: You ask "Why is God hiding?" I didn't know 'He' was.
  Wind is invisible - or is it? Would you say wind is hiding in a hurricane or a tornado?
  Wind and spirit are the same word in Greek.
  Then again, maybe spirit is made of something like neutrinos. They can go through anything, and they are invisible. Science is very fascinated with its discovery. (Excuse personifying 'science' in this case. How 'Hebrew' of me!)
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  Really Simple question for the fundys

  by hippikon in

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  really simple question for the fundys.

  why is god invisible?

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  Cuz "God is love" and love is invisible. So are the other attributes that are God. Creativity is invisible also. The best things in life, including life, are invisible.
  However, I want to qualify that I am not a "fundy".
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  Religion - A builder or destroyer?

  by Zero in

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  it has oft been presented here that religion has been destructive to the utmost, an inhibiter and counter-productive in human development and civilization.

  there is always the other side of the proverbial coin.

  when you think about it, where would the world of science and history be if not for religious motivation?.

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  Like I've already stated:
  The huge structures that have survived to our time were thought to be for relious purposes (ziggurats, pyramids). What else can I say?
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  Religion - A builder or destroyer?

  by Zero in

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  it has oft been presented here that religion has been destructive to the utmost, an inhibiter and counter-productive in human development and civilization.

  there is always the other side of the proverbial coin.

  when you think about it, where would the world of science and history be if not for religious motivation?.

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  Hi, Larc:
  Of course there's no way of knowing for sure whether the chicken or the egg came first. But its my impression that the first things that we might consider technologies and early sciences involved creating huge structures (temples) which required design and organization of great numbers of workers. This drive to please the gods is what motivated people in groups and numbers to pool their creative powers to accomplish great feats. Most things of great achievement, as it appears in civilization beginnings, were great monuments and structures that related to worship. I may be wrong, but that's the general impression I get. You might be very right that science and religion developed symoltaneously, but I tend to think religion preceded technology. jmo.
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  Religion - A builder or destroyer?

  by Zero in

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  it has oft been presented here that religion has been destructive to the utmost, an inhibiter and counter-productive in human development and civilization.

  there is always the other side of the proverbial coin.

  when you think about it, where would the world of science and history be if not for religious motivation?.

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  But Philo, Christianity came long long long after the beginning of science, technology and culture. Why are people having a problem understanding that my reference is to the roots of civilization, not long into its development? Think ancient Mesopotamia - "the cradle of civilization", etc.