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  Notes from 2001 District Conv.---Friday

  by LostMyReligion in

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  here are a few notes i took at the friday session of the 2001 "teachers of god's word" district convention.

  i thought i would share these upbuilding theocratic point with my new friends, along with my thoughts as i was listening to the program.

  1st instruction of the day: sing loudly and listen to the prayer!

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  zev

  so this is what i have to look foward to?

  i will be catching up on my much needed rest in july

  z z z z ...

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  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  Are Pedophiles Knocking At Your Door?

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the following are ads to place in your local paper to help get the word out regarding molestation issues within the watchtower organization.

  we ask that you do not add any further information other than what is listed here as we wish the message to be uniform.. any suggestions can be sent to info@silentlambs and will be considered.

  1.. are pedophiles knocking on your door?.

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  zev

  lets take it a step further silentlambs.

  i printed up a sign and taped it to the inside of my back window to my car.

  The lambs are roaring.
  www.silentlambs.org

  in nice big print.

  i drive 2 hours a day.
  someone will see it.
  maybe even a victim.

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  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  Is this how they control people?

  by Loki in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if religion is, as marx said, the opium of the people, do the borg just have theirs at a better grade than most religions?

  is that why it is so hard for people to "kick the habit"?

  is that why we feel so strongly about the borg - reformed druggies being the most outspoken and all that?

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  while sorting through my feelings on this and other things of late....questions have arisen that i'm not sure what the answers are.

  questions like this, and how is it that SO MANY are duped, and continue to be after all these years?

  why is it that when members of other religions decide to leave, they can, without the terible feelings of guilt, stress, doubt, concern, RAGE, anger, desperateness, and so many other feelings i've experienced of late?

  why is it that we FIGHT to leave the borg? what do we have that others dont that makes it so damn hard?

  just some thoughts from a confused person who has reached his "personal crossroads" and wished the light would change.

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  zev
  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  What is your favorite nickname for the Society?

  by slipnslidemaster in

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  i've heard the borg alot.

  one of the recent posts had the matrix.

  some the firm.. i think that i like the matrix, so far.. what's yours?.

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  borg drones

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  My latest letter to the org and their reply

  by uncle_onion in

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  so we can see that the early jehovah witnesses believed that jesus parousia began in 1874. the truth book states this above and it is in all the old books.

  so we can see that the early jehovah witnesses believed that jesus parousia began in 1874. the truth book states this above and it is in all the old books.

  this statement is coming from the organization that offered the scholarship and keeps written records of such.

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  no, what paper? i never signed anything.

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  zev
  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  INTERNET SECURITY

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey all: this is short and good i recently had a total crash on my pc.

  i built the thing myself, and it used to run like a race horse.

  but, unknown to me, my old anti-virus program was not updated due to my subscription running out, and my getting lazy about staying watchful.. so, i installed a new security program.

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  i use zone alarm. i run no servers, and have mine locked down very tight. i am on a broadband connection with a perm ip. but i have had no problems with it as of yet. and i'm hacked constantly, or rather attempted.

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  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  troubled [in need of answers]

  by zev in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today, i had a long, long talk with my employer.

  this person is some one who can seperate work and personal things, so after feeling like i needed to talk to someone, and soon, before i crack up, i went to her and dropped the bomb.

  she is not a witness, and because i cannot talk to a witness about what i have learned, for fear of the df'ing thingy, i feel safe in talking to her.

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  from my sister....
  

  I tried to join the board but it is all screwed up,but wouldn't let me post anything so i am enclosing my post here to you: Zev, This note comes to you from someone you have known all your life and wants only the best for you! I too........have been where you are! God is a loving person and only wants true hapiness for us all! This I believe with all my soul! Stop beating yourself up over this! You are a good man.........and have been a faithful husband! No one can take those things from you! Be proud of who you are and what you are and you will find your way through this! If she finds her way back to you.........it was meant to be! If not, you by being you and following what is in your heart will be ok through this! I have faith in you as a person.........and as my brother! I love You! Me

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  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  troubled [in need of answers]

  by zev in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today, i had a long, long talk with my employer.

  this person is some one who can seperate work and personal things, so after feeling like i needed to talk to someone, and soon, before i crack up, i went to her and dropped the bomb.

  she is not a witness, and because i cannot talk to a witness about what i have learned, for fear of the df'ing thingy, i feel safe in talking to her.

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  again,
  thank you. and a (((HUG))) to all of you. though my topic said in need of answers, the only answers are those that only i can provide. while heartbreaking and gut wrenching this story is, as it unfolds, i feel that it was important to share, as have others, for the sake of support. knowing that your not the only one, is support in of itself. when others, like yourselves express your feelings about what you have read, you contribute to the support of the victim, and to those who are also troubled and desperate.

  to simon, i want to say, god bless you. i cannot imagine ever having to go through this hell without the support system thats developed here. your contribution of this forum, in my opinion, is like no other out there. and although trouble arises from time to time, this system, forum, is the best place for people like me to go when the times are desperate. thank you simon, from the bottom of my heart.

  i will keep on pursuing the truth. gods truth. and although i have tough decisions to make, and emotional crisis ahead of me, i'll turn to my friends here, to share, to help support, and to conquer.

  thank you all.

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  zev
  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  troubled [in need of answers]

  by zev in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today, i had a long, long talk with my employer.

  this person is some one who can seperate work and personal things, so after feeling like i needed to talk to someone, and soon, before i crack up, i went to her and dropped the bomb.

  she is not a witness, and because i cannot talk to a witness about what i have learned, for fear of the df'ing thingy, i feel safe in talking to her.

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  Thank you all for your kind words, thoughts, and prayers.
  After missing Thursdays meeting and needing to talk to someone, I met up with my sister Saturday for breakfast. I figured, someone in my family should know whets going on. And besides, I don’t spend enough time with her and thought it would be a nice thing to do. So I made the 40-minute trek to the next state and then brought her to my state for breakfast. {??? Don’t ask, even I don’t understand it } I told her everything. About the truths I discovered about the borg. about their deceptions and lies. And about, yes, about pedophiles. She has two young children so I know she was listening to that part with allot of attention.

  I was facing my crossroads, still am. But I felt that I needed to tell my wife that, I no longer wanted to go to the meetings, and I no longer wanted to be part of this anymore. Telling her wasn’t going to be easy, I knew. I am very blunt and straightforward. I say exactly whats on my mind, {when I do speak} and leave you with no doubt as to where you stand with me.

  Sunday after an all day shopping jaunt, she came home late, and started doing the unusual. Talking to me. Yeah, that’s right. Almost 2 decades of marriage, and suddenly she sits in the same room and starts jibber jabbering with me while on the exercise bike. I had been in a very dark mood all day, I did NOT go to the meeting, and I was brooding about everything that was wrong in my life. About the wtbts, and the lie I have lived all my life thinking I had the truth. About the strain this might put on my marriage, and possible consequenses of my actions. About my marriage of almost 2 decades, almost 4 years of which have passed by with no intimacies at all. And about sleeping in a different bed for over a year. This all was piling up on me. I could feel the weight. I needed to get if off me.

  Unfortunately for her, she asked the right question at the wrong time.
  "Did you go to the meeting today"? {She had gone to another cong, earlier in the day} I just looked at her, NO. So, you’re not going to go to the meetings anymore? NO. Why not? It was all-downhill from there.

  Before we got into much, I told her how she was already being set up for a fall. She was shocked. I said, you said something to your friend, and she repeated or said something to her elder husband. He in turn came to me with great concern over my well being, and wanted to get me some help. And he very specifically asked about our sex life. Or rather lack there of. He could only get that from one place, and it wasn’t me. My wife said, that’s none of their business. I said wrong, it is as far as their concerned, it’s biblical, and if they try to meet with us, I won’t allow it, because a: they arn’t trained to deal with these issues, and are not qualified. b: only the worse will happen and I’m not going to betray you like that. so i wont talk to them. i CANNOT talk to them. at all. period.

  i tryed not to tell her to much. but i had to tell her something. tell her how troubled i was, how things i found out bothered me, and how unknown to me, till very recently, how troubled i have been for YEARS, and that quite possibly the questions i was finding answers to today were the reasons i had inadvertantly stepped aside from my position from years ago. i stepped aside on impulse, following my heart at the time, but never really knew why i had done what i did till now.

  the big question came, do you believe that gods spirit is acting on an organization and that organization is the wtbts. {almost like i was already sitting in a jc.}

  NO

  i was calm. cold. i had to be in order to tell her things. she had to see how deeply i felt it was true, my conviction had to be written all over me for her to see it. i had to remain in control of all my emotions. i had done alot of thinking. it rolled out way to easy. and i know there were somethings she could not even answer. and some things i should have left out. ask the elders she said. not! write to the society. yeah, and have a letter come back here and go into a file that will be kept for years on me because i questioned something. no. i think , again, NOT.

  she doesn't understand that questioning the borg gets you a lable of apostate and tossed.

  she called me the "a" word. she was flipping mad at me. this continued till sometime around 3am.

  the reason it went so late is that we had a problem. if i leave the "org" then i leave her. there is no way she is leaving. if i leave, then she is no longer married.

  i had reasoned that this might be a real possibility. that she might feel this way, she might take this stance, and not be able to seperate, marriage, and serving the borg.

  i got one hours sleep sunday night.

  she cryed what was left of the night away. when i got up an hour later, all refreshed from my long nap, she was up, and we talked more.
  stil the same ending, leave them, leave me.

  unbelievable.

  and i wondered why people call this a cult?

  love is supposed to be unconditional. here i am wanting to walk away from something i no longer believed ever had gods backing, and if i do, my marriage goes with it. what kind of a cult IS THIS anyways?

  went to work, and tryed to make it throught the day. i left early. sheer exaustion and the need to come home and see if she was ok.

  she wasnt. the second i got home we talked more.

  if you leave the org, then i'm no longer married.

  but thats not christian, i said.

  but thats the way it is.

  so here i sit tonight, wondering how did i let my marriage go to hell, and why did she let it go to hell, and why did we do nothing about it, and why is it that i am now faced with an ultimatum.
  i have one hell of a decision to make, with no right posible answer.

  tonght i'm ok, its calm here. but i have a decision to make now.
  a decision no husband should ever have to make.

  and thanks for letting me tell y'all about it. i needed to. its been a very rough week.
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  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.
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  "Not of Our Sort" Part I

  by TMS in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am an old man.. this is a topic i have been comtemplating for some time as i continue in this transitional time of my life, reminiscing about my 50+ years with what some of you call the "borg", but i simply refer to as jehovah's witnesses.. good people i have known who loved god, but did not fit into the organizational scheme of things is the topic.

  there will be at least three parts a la amazing.

  this topic will sink out of sight like a rock, but it is therapeutic to write it and the contemplation brings a smile to my face.. my first subject is b.w.. b.w.

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  as with so many of the stories i've read here of late, truely touching. thank you.

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  zev
  Now feeling the pain of sitting on the pickets class.