Posts by stichione

i have never been a jw, and need some specifics on this to help my sister, who is a jw.. just what kind of fear tactics did they instill upon you, and other ways of mind controlling?.

i know all the doctrines from research i have done, but not really sure on the specific things they said to keep you in, not listen to outsiders, and fear from leaving the orginization.. you all are so helpful in these posts, and i know you all will give me some great info.. thanks so much, grace4u

stichione

Hi there,

Make a Dub fill out this questionnaire. It will make the hairs stand up on the back of their necks (print out form first and then fill out, you can't do it directly on the screen).

http://www.goldhammer.com/selfquiz.htm

Edited by - stichione on 12 October 2002 17:49:5

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New here.

by Tanya43 in

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hello, i'm new here and just want to say hi to everybody.. tanya43

stichione

Welcome and enjoy your stay!

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Record Companies Violating Antitrust Laws?

by Satanus in

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http://news.com.com/2100-1023-244195.html?legacy=cnet

in a suit headed by the attoneys general of 28 us states, it is alleged that record companies capital records, sony music group, bertelsmann's bmg entertainment, seagram's universal music group and time warner's warner music group, along with retailers musicland, transworld and tower records have violated antitrust laws since 1995. .

"our nation's business economy has been built on the notion of a fair and free competition," new york attorney general eliot spitzer, one of the lawsuit's leaders, said in a statement today.

stichione

This justifies my claim of many persons I know that they were in their right to make illegal copies of music CDs.

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7 Soldiers Killed while trying to rescue JW hostag

by Rado Vleugel in

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fierce clashes between philippine marines and abu sayyaf rebels on the southern island of jolo left at least seven soldiers dead and 25 others wounded while trying to rescue four female jehovah's witnesses.two male witnesses were already beheaded by the rebels.. .

read it on http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/ .

rado vleugeledited by - rado vleugel on 12 october 2002 6:47:15.

stichione

Realist

One group of nutcases fighting another group of nutcases trying to rescue 4 pretended Avon sales reps who are really Dub missionaires. Not worth the 7 lives lost.

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Christmas Aint Jesus's Birthday

by comforter in

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jesus was not born on december 25. that is not his birthday.

why is this day observed as jesus's birthday?

because some christians thought it was fine to mingle christianity with paganism.

stichione

Yes, I too am curious to find out why the speech pattern of Comforter has greatly deteriorated since this past summer. Can you explain this one Comforter without much help from the Watchtower Society?

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Christmas Aint Jesus's Birthday

by comforter in

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jesus was not born on december 25. that is not his birthday.

why is this day observed as jesus's birthday?

because some christians thought it was fine to mingle christianity with paganism.

stichione

Thanks for replying Comforter. Now for the juicy part:

Item 1: So you want to be picky? Our Savior also didn't tell us to

-NOT to celebrate his birthday
-mark our time spent preaching on a report sheet and hand it in,
-attend 3 assemblies a year
-go out in field service on Saturday and/or Sunday
-have 5 weekly meetings
-not have transplants between 1967 and 1980
-not have vaccinations prior to 1952
-shun college/university
-not participate in extracuricular activities at school
-celebrate Mother's/Father's day
-celebrate Valentine's day
-join the boys scouts
-join the YMCA
-be a member of the Red Cross
-play professional sports
-play professional music/sing
-go to Church bazars
-shop at the Salvation Army
-become a police officer
-learn matial arts
-buy lottery tickets
-date without a shaperone
-cannot do work in a Church if it's your only customer
-work on a military base cleaning barracks or cooking
-donate blood (If we can accept about 98% of it now)
-have tattoos
-pierce body parts other than ears
-wear pants at Kingdom hall if you're a woman
-wear a tie if you're a man
-own or wear a cross
-etc etc etc
(credit goes to Shaun's)

Item 2: your point about anything clean coming from something unclean is IRRELEVANT because the Apostle Paul doesn't make that application in Romans 14:5-9 and Colossians 2:16-17 when it comes to observances and feasts, now does he? Did you actually read these scriptures? I mentionned them for a reason, not just for good looks. Could these scriptures be interpreted to actually permit the observance and celebration of Christmas? Answer honestly now.

Item 3: You're dead wrong. The meaning of Christmas HAS changed since 2,000 years ago. Do I have to remind you that originally it was used to worship the sun and now it used to observe Christ's birth? Why are you playing these mind games with yourself?

Item 4: Early Christians and ancient Jews rejected birthdays? So what? Where in the Bible is it written NOT to celebrate birthdays? Remember the two verses metionned above. Remember what the angels did when Jesus was born. Also, Job's kids celebrated their own birthdays. Check it out in Job 1:4, 13.

Item 5: Your statement about wedding rings doesn't make sense. Its a classic case of circular reasoning. Ancient wedding rings WERE religious in nature.

Item 6: Where Jesus returned in 1914 or not, the point the fellow was trying to make was that using YOUR logic which is nothing but a repitition of WTS logic, the same could be argued about 1914.

Item 7: Funny how the WTS quotes from non-Witness literature only those portions which suits it's arguments and discounts the rest.

Please try using your own mental faculties in meditating on a given subject, and stop repeating the Mantra of others. Do you have your own brain? Then use it.

Edited by - stichione on 11 October 2002 13:17:58

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Christmas Aint Jesus's Birthday

by comforter in

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jesus was not born on december 25. that is not his birthday.

why is this day observed as jesus's birthday?

because some christians thought it was fine to mingle christianity with paganism.

stichione

Comforter,

You're focusing on the wrong thing. But it's not your fault, you're just repeating the Mantra of your masters. However, consider the following points and mediate on them for a change:

-December 25th is not the day of Jesus' birth. Practically everyone worldwide accepts this including myself. It was originally used as a day of worship for the sun. Today however, the sun is not worshipped anymore, so the MEANING of that celebration has lost its original use. That day is instead set aside by Chrisitianity to observe and celebrate the birth of our Savior, since the exact day of Jesus' birth is not known. After all, not knowing the EXACT pronunciation of God's name does not stop the WTS from calling him Jehovah, now does it?

As an example, married people wear a wedding band. The origin of that practice is also pagan. But the MEANING of the wedding band is no longer that which the pagans used it for, and today only represents being married and faithful to one's mate. JWs also wear wedding bands and the WTS permits this and does NOT say it is a pagan practice. Why? because they wisely recognize that the meaning it carries today is not the same as with pagans in the past. Now if the WTS uses this logic with wedding bands, why doesn't it also use it with Christmas?

Furthermore remember:

-An angel declared to shepherds in the fields, "I am declaring to you the good news of a great joy that all the people will have, because there was born to you a Savior" (Luke 2: 10,11). The angels in heaven "praised God" (Luke 2:13) that Jesus was born. Yes indeed, there was feasting and rejoicing in heaven that Jesus was born. So why can't we also feast and rejoice on Earth that Jesus was born?

-The Apostle Paul says the following:
Col. 2: 16-17: "Let now man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect to a festival..."
Rom. 14: 5-9: "One man judges one day as above another, one man judges one day as others, let each man be fully conviced in his own mind. He who observes a day observes it to Jehovah...".

Paul was writing to congregations which were composed of both Jews and former pagans. Each group had their own festivities, including Saturnalis (Dec. 25). And yet Paul did not judge them nor disfellowship them for continuing to observe them, nor did he tell them to cease and desist. The important thing in the christian congregation was love.

Meditate on these points I just mentionned, because if you changed your name from Comforter to The Nameless One, it is because you're depressed and truly need comforting.

Edited by - stichione on 11 October 2002 12:11:34