Posts by stichione

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Need Kingdom Ministry

by stichione in

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help!.

i would like to know where i can get online access to the kindgom ministry (canadian edition preferable) for the months of may, june and july 2003 that i can download and print.. .

stichione

Help!

I would like to know where I can get online access to the Kindgom Ministry (Canadian edition preferable) for the months of May, June and July 2003 that I can download and print.

Thanks!

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Your REAL name???

by Odrade in

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have any "faders" ever accidentally "outed" themselves by signing their real name to a post?

i'm really paranoid about that, and often go back and recheck my posts to see if it says "odrade.".

odrade

stichione

If I would I would certainly end up DF'd.

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Is This a False Quote From AWAKE! ?

by Myxomatosis in

i've had two witnesses tell me that this is false (apostrate) info from the 5/22/94 awake!

i got it from the page of the ajwrb website, and it's supposedly from p. 2 of awake!

they tell me that's wrong...so...is it out of context?

This information I pasted from an electronic debate that took place over 2 years ago at the BMJ website. This information may help. The context in which it is written is the founder of the AJWRB replying to the statements made by a Watchtower Society apologist by the name of Furuli, debating about the JW blood policy:

Furuli states:

??those persons whom you represent and who have written letters in connection with your article actively oppose Jehovah's Witnesses and express false accusations.?

I?m pretty sure that Furuli is talking about me here so I'll use this opportunity to specifically ask him where I have made some false accusation. He quotes me where I state: "My question to you, sir, is this: is the sacrifice of hundreds, perhaps thousands of JW children a justifiable price for 'greater peace, inner contentment, and life meaning."

Then Furuli goes on to state:

?This is a serious accusation, but where is the proof behind it? Hundreds, perhaps thousands of children killed by Jehovah's Witnesses? The article in Awake! May 22, 1994, to which the writer refers, does not speak about children in general, but about youngsters with leukemia and similar deadly diseases. The lack of blood did not kill the youngsters mentioned in the article; their disease killed them. If a young person who already knows that he or she is going to die, does not want to try to prolong life for a short time with the use of blood but seeks alternative treatment, how can it be said that Jehovah's Witnesses sacrificed ("killed") this person??

I agree with Furuli, I have made a serious accusation but not a false one. Consider the following:

The WTS has at times portrayed children who have died as a result of following its policies as martyrs. The cover of the May 22, 1994 Awake! magazine (official church magazine) shows the photos of 26 children, with the caption: "Youths Who Put God First." The inside cover of the magazine states, "In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it, only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue." (italics added for emphasis)

There are approximately 3100 new cases of leukemia and lymphoma diagnosed in children age 15 and under in the U.S. each year. With the U.S. population at 274,000,000, the approximately 1,000,000 JWs in the U.S. constitute about 0.364% of that population. This suggests there are approximately eleven new cases of leukemia and lymphoma among JW children in the U.S. each year (or more if we include sixteen and seventeen-year-olds).

Worldwide there are nearly six million active JWs and another nearly nine million who associate with them and have varying degrees of commitment to the WTS blood policy. If we conservatively estimate the size of the JW community at ten million and base our projection on U.S. statistics, we would expect to see approximately 110 new cases among JW children each year.

In the 1940?s, when the WTS blood policy began to take shape, the mortality rate for children with a diagnosis of leukemia was nearly 100%. Today that rate is less than 20%. Since transfusion of red cells and platelets generally remains essential to successful treatment of these cases, it is reasonable to conclude that the mortality rate among JW children may still be close to 100%. Thus, the impact of the WTS policy is significant: each year probably 80 or more JW children are at high risk of dying when their parents insist on ?bloodless? treatment.

This figure could be adjusted downward somewhat for cases involving very young JW children where courts have taken custody away from the parents temporarily to provide needed care. Nonetheless, the WTS? own comments seem to acknowledge a very high incidence of death among JW children.

Even reducing the estimate to a very conservative 50 JW children per year, it is apparent that physicians could have saved hundreds--if not thousands--of additional lives in recent decades had they been allowed to transfuse red cells and platelets, thus enabling a rigorous use of chemotherapy. So the inference made by Awake magazine that ?thousands? of children have died as a result of compliance with WTS policy may be quite correct.

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Is Sex All Men Think About?

by tyydyy in

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for instance: .

car - guys look for a car that will attract women.

so they can have sex.

stichione

Definitively!

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DON'T FORGET, 5TH ESTATE TONIGHT AT 9PM

by needs_lots in

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i wanted to remind everyone tonight that the 5th estate runs "spiritual sheperds" tonight at 9pm.

if you missed it last time, its a must to watch.. vic

stichione

Is there any way we can watch it again for those who missed it?

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What TV shows were you told not to watch as a JW ???

by run dont walk in

victorian sky has a great thread on music.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/57646/1.ashx.

it got me thinking, about tv shows, anything in particular you were told not to watch, being a little kid in the 70's i do remember hearing shows from the platform that we should not watch.

stichione

I wasn't allowed to watch Star Trek. I was told it wasn't real and that I should only watch stuff that is based on reality.

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Is there one thing that convinces you that the JW's are wrong ???

by run dont walk in

doctrines, people, elders, family, beliefs, is there a certain thing that convinces you they are wrong ???.

had a discussion with my mom the other day and she asked "how can you be so sure they are wrong ?".

i picked two topics that i had not talked to her about ( already said the pedophile, un, generation stuff.).

stichione

That the year for the destruction of Jerusalem is not 607 but 587.

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questions from readers

by peacefulpete in

for the past few years the questions from readers in the wt have been pathetic rehashes of old material, or just stupid newbie quetions answered in the pe book.

i know that they must be getting thouands of well thought out questions from sincere readers, yet none of these questions make the column.

i know that this is not surprising to many here.

stichione

A JW I know asked a question to the Society as to whether is was permitted for a JW to donate blood with no congregation action taken against him. The Society didn't ansered to him. They instead went through the trouble of finding out which congregation the man went to and wrote to the BOE to pay him a shepparding call. This story is still ongoing and I will keep you posted.

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What Did You "Become" After Leaving The Watchtower?

by SpannerintheWorks in

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born again, liberal christian, agnostic, atheist, or "other"?.

spanner

stichione

I became a subtle apostate, slowly working on my wife to chip away at her cult-like cage in which she and all other JWs find themselves in. Also in sending information via emails to JW friends about upcoming TV programs which deal with WTS hypocrisy. Slowly and behind the scenes doing my part the bring down the WTS.

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Don't forget to report! (Worship Book ch 4)

by ozziepost in

at the last district convention, the book "worship the only true god" was released intended to be used along with the "knowledge" book on home bible studies.

both books are to be studied before baptism.

so, what are the 'new recruits' learning?

stichione

In that case I will be destroyed at Har-Magheddon, since I haven't filed a report in over two years!