Posts by FreeWilly

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is America No. 1?

by Pleasuredome in

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this is an interesting article i found.

i guess if you were to ask anyone on a street anywhere in the world what they think is the leading developed country in the world, they'd probably say the us.

so with that in mind, here's some interesting statistics.... .

You failed to mention another distinction we have with Europeans right here on JWD. Americans seem to rank last on the list of JWD topics bashing those of other nationalities. It's no wonder that Europe is the reoccurring scene of bitter, bloody, ethnic and national infighting, not to mention 2 world wars and a infamous legacy of imperialistic atrocities. You sure are an intolerant bunch. I wonder how long it is before someone has to quell yet another European quagmire.

Pleasuredome, you need to get off the island more.

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JWD Sign in. Were You a Dub When You First Came Here?

by xjw_b12 in

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seeing this is the 5th anniversary of jwd, i was curious as to how many who still post here, were dyed in the wool jws, but later sucumbed to "the truth about the truth" .

were an active/semi-active jw, and this site and others were enough to convince you that your doubts had substance.

FreeWilly

Then: I was fresh out of Bethel and just came back from an International construction gig and somewhat disenchanted by the realities of dubdom. I lurked here a little just to see what it was all about. I knew about things from the inside so I was pretty sure everyone here was full of sh*t . That's still true for the most part (tee hee), but the Dub stuff was right on the money! I actually remember the exact moment when the light went "on", it was at an assembly when the announcer said "Listen to what Jeehobah has prepared for you this weekend" - Jehovah my ass!, I said to myself. Instead of daydreaming about hot chicks or perfect surf that weekend, I consolidated all of the what I knew first hand from Bethel, the false predictions, crazy teachings and asked myself "Is Jehovah's really behind all this?" Alot of doubts were swirling around then lurked here a little more and began to see things for what they were .. then BAM! - the Bill Bowman/Silent Lambs saga unfolded.... and BAM BAM!, I read C of C, then, POW!, the UN thing came to light. I was all done.

Now: I find it embarrassing that I was ever duped by those idiots. I think the God of the Bible is a fictional genocidal maniac. Life could only be better if my folks and sibling weren't hunkered down waiting for doomsday. Man am I greatful for this and other sites.

While we're on the topic, the top 5 most influential websites in my exudos were: JWD,WT Observer, Freeminds, Quotes, and Watchtower news.

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Ten killed in US school shooting

by Simon in

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another tradgedy ... .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4370617.stm.

FreeWilly

It's now illegal to own a hand gun in the UK and whilst we still have gun related crime within the criminal elements of society, we don't have pissed off teenagers being able to massacre their classes at school because they cannot get hold of guns.
If you have easy access to firearms in a violent culture where you are continually taught that violence is the answer (John Wayne films, illegal wars etc) then what do you expect?

No, you don't have too many "pissed off teenagers" making disconcerting headlines. But, since you've disarmed law abiding citizens you now have this:

"The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime. " -http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902

By the way, The US crime rate has been falling over the past 20 years, while the UK's has skyrocketed. You are TWICE as likely to be a victim of violent crime in the UK than in the US. But at least you don't have to read about pissed off teens. Odd isn't it?

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Shots fired during UK rap concert

by Xena in

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4370601.stm pair jailed after fatal shop raid

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/nottinghamshire/4371059.stm

calls for tougher laws on knives

FreeWilly

Unfortunately Britian's crime rate is higher than the U.S. in every category except rape and murder (although these are at all time highs and climbing). Since the handgun ban in 1997, violent crime has increased by at least 66%. Some say it's because the government has practically outlawed self defense, charging people even if they are defending thier home. One statistic I found alarming is that over HALF of all burgleries are committed with the person at home!

I'm no fan of weapons, but the ability of a citizen to defend their family and home is a fundemental right and deters crime . Police interviews have repeatedly shown criminals in the US fear two things when confronting a victim (in this order) 1) they may be shot or killed by the victim. 2) they may go to jail. Perhaps this is why you are half as likely to be a victim of violent crime in the US than in the UK.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

The US didn't even make the top 10.

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Jehovah's Witnesses GET CRAZY!!

by GetBusyLiving in

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do you guys know any very obviously crazy jw's?

i've noticed that they have been "flocking" to the org.

over the past few years especially.

FreeWilly

I knew a supposedly annointed, middle aged lady from the Niagra Falls area that used to sell herbal medicine. She was an "Iridologist" who could diagnose almost any ailment by looking at your eyes. Coincidentally almost every diagnosis involved a colon cleanse made from her witches brew for which she charged steeply. She claimed all sorts of death-bed healings from her medicine - pure quackery. She had quite a following in that area too. I wouldn't be surprised if some here have heard of her.

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I still think it might be the truth - what is wrong with me?

by slimboyfat in

apostate literature - i have read the lot.

you name it - c of c, gentile times reconsidered, thirty tears a watchtower slave, the orwellian world of jehovah's witness, apocalypse delayed, and the freeminds and watchtower observer sites, so on and so on.

and i have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.

FreeWilly

Claim: We're God's channel of communication. Reality: Numerous false predictions and retracted doctrines

Claim: We're no part of the world. Reality: WT secretly affiliates with UN then hurriedly dissassociates, and fabricates a cover story.

Claim: The Earthwide Remnant is the Faithful Slave providing food. Reality: Remnant excluded entirely, spiritual input left to Brooklyn heavies.

Claim: We are not inspired prophets, therefore not false prophets. Reality: Numerous dates and teachings presented as info from God.

Claim: We have the truth. Reality: We hide from the truth and punish investigation.

Claim: We are God's organization. Reality: Despite expectations, no evidence of divine backing typical of Biblical representatives of God.

I agree with Pole, If you can't put two and two together, what do you want from us? You seem comforted that you remain unconvinced. Maybe you should stay a witness. They take care of the thinking for you.

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Has Anyone Got Any Proof That The Society Monitors Apostate Web Sites?

by slimboyfat in

i am extremely skeptical about this, yet people on this forum seem to talk about it as though it were a fact.

so has anyone got any actual concrete proof?

here are the reasons why i don't think they do:.

FreeWilly

Slim:

"anything apporaching systematic monitoring of this and other apostate outlets."

So now we've gone from proving the WT "monitors" apostate sites, to a systematic surveillance program??? Has anyone on this board actually claimed this type of surveillance ?

It sounds like a "Straw man" defense.

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Has Anyone Got Any Proof That The Society Monitors Apostate Web Sites?

by slimboyfat in

i am extremely skeptical about this, yet people on this forum seem to talk about it as though it were a fact.

so has anyone got any actual concrete proof?

here are the reasons why i don't think they do:.

FreeWilly

Slim,

Did they install an idiot switch in you? As more proof rolls in, are you going to be like every other JW and deny, deflect and divert? Of course you will.

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Has Anyone Got Any Proof That The Society Monitors Apostate Web Sites?

by slimboyfat in

i am extremely skeptical about this, yet people on this forum seem to talk about it as though it were a fact.

so has anyone got any actual concrete proof?

here are the reasons why i don't think they do:.

FreeWilly

Gee slim, You asked for "proof" that WT monitors websites. Almost immediatly proof was posted (Watchtower Information Service) Additionally "Quotes" maintains a Website that has recently received a "cease and desist" letter from WT lawyers. That has been discussed here too.

You stuck your neck out there saying some were "dreaming" if they think sites like thess are worthy of monitoring, yet that is exactly the case. All we've established with this topic is 1) you appear naive, and 2) Brooklyn is paranoid.

So do you have another point to make?

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hey yall im back!!!!!!!!! New brother

by defd in

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man!

i cannot believe all the attention i got yesterday.. i am a forum celebrity now.

i do sign audigraphs.

FreeWilly

Def'd,

Why are JW's so predictable? I think you allegation of "hatred toward the Org." is a bunch of BS. While many of us believe they are silly, backward, dogmatic, unyielding and many times cruel, it's not out of hatred for anyone. Your use of the term "Hatred" is more about you than it is about us. You are just reinforcing you own conditioned belief that ex-JW's are 'foaming at the mouth' spewing hatred towards Jehoobahs organization. That's what you have been led to believe and it seems that you are trying to convince yourself, if not us, of that. Can you paste any of this alleged "hatred" that you have read? I doubt it. I could be wrong, so please paste the posts you have read that constitute 'hatred'.

I'm gonna make a prediction too. You will avoid all serious discussions regarding your religion. Why? Becuase under the light of scrutiny the JW's faith is a silly, goofy sham. It's so rediculous that 'the Society' knows a serious discussion of it reveals it for what it is. Why do you think they tell you not to talk with anyone critical of your publishing company? Especially on *gasp* the internet. You can deflect, deny and shift attention off the point at hand, that's the only real option you have. Again, I could be wrong, so if you disagree feel free to seriously discuss any of the questions that have been leveled.

We don't hate you. In fact I really enjoy the fact that you are here - it's great! But please, try not to peddle the bullshit here. We've all seen it before.