Posts by Leolaia

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Jesus' parousia started in 1975, Governing Body selected as Faithful and Discreet Slave and Evil Slave dealt with by 1980, and Armageddon arrives in 2015?

by JWB in

jesus' parousia started in 1975, governing body selected as faithful and discreet slave and evil slave dealt with by 1980, armageddon arrives in 2015?.

it seems to me that some new light needs to be generated if the governing body (gb) of jws is to be considered as the faithful and discreet slave (fds).. .

(a) gb needs to be around as an entity when selected by jesus during his parousia.

Leolaia

You actually still believed in their Armageddon after 1975, Leolaia?

I didn't know anything about the Witnesses until 1976.

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Iesous Xristo real name, not Jesus

by Jaime l de Aragon in

translators destroyed the names iesous xristos.

hebrews 13:8 ihsouv {iesous} cristov {xristos} cqev {yesterday} kai {and} shmeron {today} o {the} autov {mismo,} kai {y} eiv {by} touv {the} aiwnav {ages}.

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Leolaia

"The word God comes from the Latin" Deus "which in turn comes from the Greek" Zeus ", who in mythology was the god of the gods. The word" Zeus ", changed to" Deus "and then to God." Deus "has the same Indo-European root * dyeu" day ", meaning sun or bright. the Romans adapted Greek pantheon giving them their own names. Zeus, being the god father became" Zues Pater ", which use vulgar became "Zues Pater" or Jupiter. Jews never used that term (GOD or DEUS Deux in latin)

First of all, to keep hammering the point, this has nothing to do with Greek theos, which you claimed has no meaning of "god". That claim is false.

Second, deus is a word in Latin. It isn't a word in Greek, it isn't a word in Hebrew, it isn't a word in Aramaic. Of course Jews never used that term, unless they were speaking Latin. Jews who lived in Rome and elsewhere in Italy did speak Latin, as Jewish inscriptions show (see J. N. Adams' Bilingualism and the Latin Language). Then it would have been expected for them to use the Latin word for "god". There is no evidence that Jews who spoke Latin did not use it; "god" is a very important concept for Judaism and thus it would have been entirely unusual for Jews not to use the Latin word for "god" when speaking Latin. A trivial search through an epigraphic database can readily find examples of Jews using the word deus:

in dei nomine s(an)c(t)o.
peleger qui ic bennid {²6venit}²6, d (eu) s esto cm ipso. ocoli
invidiosi crepen<t>. de d (e) idonum Iona fecet.
S?LWM {²shofar}² {²menorah}² {²lulab}²

Third, your claim of etymology is totally inaccurate. The Latin word deus is not derived from the Greek Zeus. If it had, it would have evidenced sound changes that occurred in the Greek. Rather, it is the native Latin word for "god" that is related to the Greek Zeus, both deriving ultimately from the same Proto-Indo-European root *dei "to shine" (cf. Sanskrit didyati "they shine", Greek deato "he perceived", Old Norse teitr "cheerful"). The Latin word for "god" comes from the common Proto-Indo-European word for "god", *dei-w-os. This is via a w-extension suffix that gave the sense of "sky, heaven, celestial, heavenly, i.e. heavenly being". There were other suffixed forms of *dei, such as *dei e -l-os "bright, shining" and *dei e -n-os "day". There were however a number of different forms with the w-extension: *diwos, *diwios, *deiwos, and *dièws. (1) The first of these, *diwos, is a zero-grade form that had the meaning of "day". Hence Sanskrit díva "during the day", sudivám "nice day", Armenian tiv "day", Greek -δι F oς < *diwos "day" (in the phrase endios "middle of the day", i.e. "in the day"), Latin -dius "day" (in the phrase interdius "daytime", i.e. "between the day"), Old Irish dia "day", etc. (2) The second form, *diwios, had an inserted vowel -i- that gave the adjectival sense "heavenly, celestial, divine". Hence Sanskrit divyá- "celestial", divyani "in the heavenly space", Greek δι F oς < *diwios "divine, heavenly", and Latin dius "divine, godlike", dium "open space of heaven". (3) The third form *deiwos, *dèwos is the common PIE word for "god". This meaning is well-established throughout the cognates. So we have Sanskrit devah "god", Avestan daeva- "demon", Latin deus "god" and d i vus "deity, divine", Old Welsh duiu-(tit) "goddess, deity", Old Norse t i var < *teiwaz (pl.) "gods", Old Prussian deiw(a)s "god", Lithuanian dievas "god", etc. The meaning of "god" goes back to Proto-Indo-European itself. (4) Then finally, we have the diphthongized form *dièws "sky, heaven", which was also the name of a specific deity, the personified "sky" or "sky father" (with the suffixed form *Dyèws-p e tèr). It is this form that specifically gave rise to the name "Zeus". The placement of the /y/ right after the /d/ with a stressed vowel following it palatalized the /d/, resulting in the /z/ in the Greek form, i.e. Zeus (nom.), with the genitive preserving the unpalatalized form Dios < *Diwos; Zeu pater is the Greek form of the deity name. There is a similar palatalization in Latin, where /d/ becomes /y/ in the same environment, thus *Dyèws-p e tèr yields Iuppiter in Latin and Iupater in Umbrian, while the o-grade form *dyow-i-s resulted in Latin Diovis, Iovis "Jove", and the gentilic form *Iovilios < Iulius "Julius". In Sanskrit there was no palatalization, so we have the forms dyauh "sky, heaven", and divah (genitive) < *diwos. So Latin Iu- and Iovis is what corresponds to Greek Zeus (which show no sign of being borrowed from Greek but rather drawing on the same root *dièws), while the word for "god" goes back to PIE *dèwos and was not "borrowed" very late from Greek.

This is what is in fact stated in the etymology you posted yesterday:

Deus (Latin pronunciation: de??s]]) is Latin for "god" or "deity". Latin deus and divus "divine", are descended from Proto-Indo-European *deiwos, from the same root as *Dyeus, the reconstructed chief god of the Proto-Indo-European pantheon. Compare Greek Zeus (Ζε?ς zdeús; Aeolic Greek Δε?ς deús)

It says that *deiwos was the source of deus and *dyeus (identical to *dièws) was the source of Zeus. Two different derivatives from the same root. NOT one being the source for the other. These PIE forms go back to PIE itself, long long before Greek and Latin existed as languages. Your idea that deus comes from Zeus misunderstands the etymology.

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Jesus' parousia started in 1975, Governing Body selected as Faithful and Discreet Slave and Evil Slave dealt with by 1980, and Armageddon arrives in 2015?

by JWB in

jesus' parousia started in 1975, governing body selected as faithful and discreet slave and evil slave dealt with by 1980, armageddon arrives in 2015?.

it seems to me that some new light needs to be generated if the governing body (gb) of jws is to be considered as the faithful and discreet slave (fds).. .

(a) gb needs to be around as an entity when selected by jesus during his parousia.

Leolaia

The one I gave credence in for a while, when I was a kid, was 1984 which was 70 years since 1914. That scared me a lot, and people in the congregation were talking about that date.

I remember thinking, everything is gonna be gone by October...I was starting high school, and I thought....I am not going to make it. Depressing time.

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No wonder it's iron and clay mixed...

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19929249.

i really didn't realise that words like "row" and "frock" are not common in the us.. glad to see "autumn", "queue", "numpty", "muppet" making a splash over there.. even "chav" and "innit" are being used apparently.. hey all you irish/scottish/welsh/english posters, what other words should our friends over the water be using?.

wassock, fathead, plonker are three off the top of my head..

Leolaia

Oh god. That gives me bad memories of the time I was staying in the Midlands and I decided to walk to the local market and, it being Britain, there were nothing but hedgerows alongside the street, and so I had to walk in the road, and I was freaked cos I couldn't remember which side was the best side to walk on...lol

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No wonder it's iron and clay mixed...

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19929249.

i really didn't realise that words like "row" and "frock" are not common in the us.. glad to see "autumn", "queue", "numpty", "muppet" making a splash over there.. even "chav" and "innit" are being used apparently.. hey all you irish/scottish/welsh/english posters, what other words should our friends over the water be using?.

wassock, fathead, plonker are three off the top of my head..

Leolaia

Yay for Canada.

Yeah, we could waste a whole nother thread about that weird frozen land to the north.

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No wonder it's iron and clay mixed...

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19929249.

i really didn't realise that words like "row" and "frock" are not common in the us.. glad to see "autumn", "queue", "numpty", "muppet" making a splash over there.. even "chav" and "innit" are being used apparently.. hey all you irish/scottish/welsh/english posters, what other words should our friends over the water be using?.

wassock, fathead, plonker are three off the top of my head..

Leolaia

Ever think that it's you that sounds weird?

Yup. It sounds wierd TO ME. Such that it always makes me laugh a bit.

Everyone is a little bit ethnocentric.

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No wonder it's iron and clay mixed...

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19929249.

i really didn't realise that words like "row" and "frock" are not common in the us.. glad to see "autumn", "queue", "numpty", "muppet" making a splash over there.. even "chav" and "innit" are being used apparently.. hey all you irish/scottish/welsh/english posters, what other words should our friends over the water be using?.

wassock, fathead, plonker are three off the top of my head..

Leolaia

I think the friends across the pond could learn to end a phone conversation properly with "Goodbye" or "Seeya", not just "Click", that's rude.

I thought the Brits were invented politeness?

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No wonder it's iron and clay mixed...

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19929249.

i really didn't realise that words like "row" and "frock" are not common in the us.. glad to see "autumn", "queue", "numpty", "muppet" making a splash over there.. even "chav" and "innit" are being used apparently.. hey all you irish/scottish/welsh/english posters, what other words should our friends over the water be using?.

wassock, fathead, plonker are three off the top of my head..

Leolaia

Yes, I can attest an increase in usage of "queue" over my lifetime.

One expression that never will be popular here: "hire" in the sense of "rent". This always sounds plain stupid to me. "I hired a car". "orly? how much are you going to pay it? is it a good worker? does it enjoy working for you? does it get fired if you are displeased with it?"

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THE GOOD NEWS WILL BE POSTED LATER TODAY!!!!!

by EndofMysteries in

a video will be posted later today where all the mysteries of god, the disgusting thing causing desolation, all the contradictions in the bible, why god in the old testament seemed so cruel, why was satan created if god is good, how is god love?

all of the prophecies jesus had foretold which were hidden and lost yet being fullfilled the entire time.

this is the good news that will then spread worldwide, and then the end will come.

Leolaia

The problems I had getting it posted were probably divine intervention thankfully.

So I guess several years ago a voice from heaven declared to the web designers at YouTube, "Thou shalt limit video uploads greater than 10 minutes to YouTube Partners, yea, even when 15 minutes becometh the limit thou shalt prevent uploads over the limit to non-Partners." The YouTube team said, "Amen," and instituted their program on YouTube uploads, for no other reason than to prepare for the day when finally EoM uploads the video in question, it will be blocked as God had aforetime foreseen.

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THE GOOD NEWS WILL BE POSTED LATER TODAY!!!!!

by EndofMysteries in

a video will be posted later today where all the mysteries of god, the disgusting thing causing desolation, all the contradictions in the bible, why god in the old testament seemed so cruel, why was satan created if god is good, how is god love?

all of the prophecies jesus had foretold which were hidden and lost yet being fullfilled the entire time.

this is the good news that will then spread worldwide, and then the end will come.

Leolaia

WHERE'S TEH VIDEO??????? ITS P. 11 ALL READY!1!!!1