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Leolaia
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Jesus and the two criminals dying beside him.....
by sandy ini have been watching a couple of the movies retelling the life of christ and i was wondering about the words jesus said to the criminal who asked him to remember him.. the king james version reads: and jesus said unto him, "verily i say unto thee, today shalt thou be with me in paradise" luke 23:43. the new world translation reads: and he said to him "truly i tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.
" luke 23:43. the movie i was watching quoted or at least was closer to the king james version.
maybe i am wrong but the same scriptures seem to imply two different things.
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Banned From The Bible - History Channel
by DevonMcBride indid anyone else see this show on the history channel?
they showed the gospels and stories the councils chose not to put in the bible and gave scholars perspectives as to why.
devon
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Leolaia
I missed the program, but as you can probably tell from my posts, I find these extracanonical books quite valuable for my biblical research. I would heartily recommend for your Bible library: 1) Charlesworth's OLD TESTAMENT PSEUDEPIGRAPHA, 2) THE APOSTOLIC FATHERS, 3) THE ANTE-NICENE FATHERS, 4) THE NAG HAMMADDI LIBRARY, and 5) THE COMPLETE GOSPELS or similar book.
Leolaia
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Chritian Hades was like the Greek theology a temporary place
by peacefulpete in(before 400 ad) .
uninspired records of how early christians worshipped and what doctrine they believed!
hades, the temporary two part receptacle of the conscious dead who are awaiting judgment (luke 16:19-31) .
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Leolaia
Please see my earlier post on Hades and hell. It gives many pre-Christian Jewish sources on the subject, and comes essentially to the same conclusion:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/63386/973216/post.ashx#973216
Please note too that your quote from Josephus is spurious. It derives from a later Christian source, namely Hippolytus of Rome (3rd cent. A.D.). The 9th-century writer Photius mistakenly attributed it to Josephus and the error persists today.
Leolaia
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What to do in a Terrorist Attack
by Scully inwhat to do in a terrorist attack
the us government has a new website, http://www.ready.gov.
it's another attempt at scare mongering in the style of the old "duck and cover" advice after wwii.. .
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Leolaia
LOL!!! Scully ;)
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The Crucifixion in History
by hooberus inencyclopedia brittanica micropaedia vol.
"there were various methods of performing the execution.
usually, the condemned man, after being whipped, or "scourged," dragged the crossbeam of his cross to the place of punishment, where the upright shaft was already fixed in the ground.
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Leolaia
hooberus is right about the use of the word xylon as recalling Deuteronomy 21. This text was explicitly quoted in one of its instances in the NT (in the LXX), in the Dead Sea Scrolls the scripture is directly applied to a specific instance of crucifixion reported by Josephus, Josephus himself uses the two terms (xylon and stauros) to refer to the same thing, and Philo of Alexandria refers to those crucified (anastauroo) as affixed to a xylon. Second, in Greek xylon refers less often to living trees (Gk. dendron) and more often to wood products made from trees. Finally, in Latin crucifixion is informally known as arbor infelix or infelix lignum -- affixing to a tree. I thus do not necessarily see the use of xylon in the NT as suggesting a tradition where Jesus was affixed to a literal tree.
As for the tradition of the cross being X-shaped, when was this first attested? I don't know any evidence of this until A.D. 200 (?), and then it is with reference to Plato and the name Khristos (X). The gospels unanimously refer to stauros-bearing, either Jesus himself (John) or with the help of Simon of Cyrene (Synoptics). That certainly is a reference to patibulum-bearing, which applies to a T-shaped cross but not to an X-shaped cross of two beams of equal length (in Greek, stauros refers to the patibulum as well). Jesus' saying on cross-bearing is a later reflection on the crucifixion, and this saying is shared in the Gospel of Thomas (55) as well. Pseudo-Barnabas and Justin Martyr also explicitly describe Jesus' cross as T-shaped. The pagan Palatine graffito also depicts Jesus' cross as T-shaped. My impression is that referring to the cross as a Chi, or viewing Chi as the symbol of Christ, is relatively late and derivative of the title Khristos. It seems to be an exaggeration to claim that there was "confusion" over the manner of Jesus' death simply because the term xylon was sometimes used and the letter Chi was later compared with the cross or regarded as the symbol of Christ.
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Beards, can someone explain?
by Satans little helper incan someone give me a sensible explaination as to why the jw's have banned beards?
i was df'd in '90 just as this was becoming a big deal and at the time i thought it was completely rediculous what with jesus probably having a beard.
it was one of the many things that led me to seeing that the gb make arbitrary rules and that the organisation has more to do with control than religion.
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Leolaia
I knew a really nice brother who was pretty much thrown out because he had a beard. The only reason why he had a beard was for medical reasons (he had a bad ingrown hair problem).
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Beards, can someone explain?
by Satans little helper incan someone give me a sensible explaination as to why the jw's have banned beards?
i was df'd in '90 just as this was becoming a big deal and at the time i thought it was completely rediculous what with jesus probably having a beard.
it was one of the many things that led me to seeing that the gb make arbitrary rules and that the organisation has more to do with control than religion.
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Leolaia
It is funny to see what the Bible and the early Christian Church said about beards and shaving:
Leviticus 19:27 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."
2 Samuel 10:4-5 "So Hanun seized David's men, shaved off half of each man's beard, cut off their garments in the middle at the buttocks, and sent them away. When David was told about this, he sent messengers to meet the men, for they were greatly humiliated. The king said, 'Stay at Jericho till your beards have grown, and then come back.' "
Clement of Alexandria, Paedagogus (A.D. 195) "How womanly it is for a man to comb himself and shave himself for the sake of fine effect, and to arrange his hair at a mirror, shave his cheeks, pluck hairs out of them and to smooth them! For God wished women to be smooth and to rejoice in their locks alone, growing spontaneously, as a horse in his mane. But he has adorned man like the loins, with a beard, a sign of strength and rule. For it is not lawful to pluck out the beard, man's natural and noble ornament. A youth with his first beard is youth at its most graceful. Thus is he annointed, delighting in the beard on which descended the prophetic ointment which with Aaron was honored.
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Counter-Missionary web sites
by DevonMcBride inwhile doing my research on the jw's, i found no shortage of web sites for jews on how to refute christian evangelist including jehovah's witnesses.
some of them were pretty interesting too as they are able to refute most of the claims christians have made about jesus' prophecies and the role of the messiah.
i was amazed at how much misinformation other religions including the jw's teach about jewish beliefs.
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Leolaia
Those 42 Old Testament prophecies proving that a rooster is the Messiah are hilarious!!!
http://home.att.net/~fiddlerzvi/prophecies.html
You should definitely post that in this forum! Leolaia
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Seeking Jesus
by Leolaia infor some of us who leave the b.org, we realize that the society wasn't telling us the truth about who jesus is.
that's in a sense okay, since jesus' own disciples didn't really know either -- when he asked them, they gave all sorts of different answers.
i don't think the bible gives a single answer as well.
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Leolaia
bebu....what a beautiful quote! I also think about when Jesus said that one must become like children to enter the Kingdom. What do children do but always seek, always wanting to learn, improve themselves, wanting to discover all the things that adults have already become jaded of.
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What is the difference between Christianity and Paganism?
by CruithneLaLuna inrecently i had the opportunity to read the first three or four chapters of a very interesting book: the jesus mysteries : was the "original jesus" a pagan god?
i regret that circumstances prevented me from completing my reading.
i may choose to purchase a copy of this book for my personal library, and so that i can finish reading it.
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