Leolaia
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Why womenz are dumber than menz
by Dogpatch inthe glorious insight of the old farts at bethel :.
why womenz are dumber than menz (and should not be trusted...).
in fact, (unwritten but implied) they should be beaten)!.
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Did Israel's Leader come from Bethlehem?
by Doug Mason inthe july 2012 issue of awake!
states that the narratives of jesus birth show that the bible is a book of accurate prophecy.. the aim of this study is to find out what the birth narratives do reveal about the nature of the bible.. what does investigation of the writings of micah, matthew, and luke reveal about the way that the bible should be read and applied?.
does this investigation open the door to a better comprehension of the nature of scripture?.
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Leolaia
PP!!! You're sorely missed around these parts. :) Good to see you, thanks for the notice about the PM.
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Why womenz are dumber than menz
by Dogpatch inthe glorious insight of the old farts at bethel :.
why womenz are dumber than menz (and should not be trusted...).
in fact, (unwritten but implied) they should be beaten)!.
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Leolaia
What idiots. Interesting the dude writing this has a preoccupation with size. Of course bigger is better, duh.
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'Dinah Gets Into Trouble' - Does Story 20 Mean Rape = Fornication?
by sd-7 ini was listening, albeit unwittingly, to a 'my book of bible stories' tape and this statement caught me by surprise.
it's found in story 20:.
"one day when dinah came to visit, shechem took dinah and forced her to lie down with him.
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Leolaia
Well, I partly agree with King Solomon about the issue of consent. The writer has zero interest in Dinah's perspective and consent; throughout the narrative she is silent. It is pointless to ask about her consent....nor does her consent matter when it comes to marriage in patriarchical society. It is possible that the story describes an attempted abduction marriage, which basically is a crime of theft against the bride's father. That doesn't mean that it wasn't rape. The story is set in a rape culture where women were considered property and rape was institutionalized; they still had inherent human rights even if the culture did not recognize them. See the article "Rape is Rape is Rape: The Story of Dinah and Shechem (Genesis 34)" by Yael Shemesh in Zeitschrift für die Alttestamentliche Wissenschaft (2007), pp. 2-21. As I argue below, the story construes the act as one of outright rape regardless of whether Dinah had the (culturally recognized) right to give consent or not.
That may be true, but it still would be interesting to know what the original text implies.
SixofNine....The incident involved rape not because it was specifically non-consensual (the text has no interest in female consent) but because it is described as an act of sexual violence against her. This is clear in two places in the text. First we read: "When Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, the prince of the land, saw her, he took her and violated her ('otah way`anneha)" (Genesis 34:2). The verb `anah here has the general sense of "oppress, afflict, humble someone" (cf. Akkadian enû "thwart, do violence to"), as can be seen in its use in passages referring to the subjugation of the Israelites in slavery (Genesis 15:13, Exodus 1:11-13, Deuteronomy 26:6). It is used in the Samson story to refer to physical violence contemplated and then meted out to Samson (Judges 16:5, 6, 19), and it describes the act of putting Joseph's feet into fetters in Psalm 105:18. When it has reference to a woman in a sexual context, it usually has the sense of "rape" (Deuteronomy 22:28-29, Judges 19:24-25, 20:5, 2 Samuel 13:12-14, Ezekiel 22:10-11, Lamentations 5:11). The second clear indication that Dinah was raped is in v. 7 where the word n e balah "outrageous thing" (intensified with m e 'od "very") describes Shechem's act, which is very similar to the descriptions of other rapes in the OT:
Genesis 34:2, 7: "When Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, the prince of the land, saw her, he took her and raped ( way`anneh , a form of `anah) her.... For he had committed (`asah) an outrage (m e 'od kî-nebalah) in Israel (be-yisra'el)....such a thing that is not to be committed (w e -ken lo' ye`aseh)".
Judges 19:30, 20:6, 10: " Such a thing has never been done (lo'-nihy e tah kazo't), not since the day the Israelites came up out of Egypt.... During the night the men of Gibeah came after me and surrounded the house, intending to kill me. They raped (`innû, a form of `anah) my concubine, and she died. I took my concubine, cut her into pieces and sent one piece to each region of Israel's inheritance, because they committed (`asû) this lewd and outrageous act (ûn e balah) in Israel (be-yisra'el) ".
2 Samuel 13:12-14: " 'No, my brother!' she said to him. 'Don’t rape me (`anennî, a form of `anah)! Such a thing should not be committed (lo'-ye`aseh ken) in Israel (be-yisra'el) ! Don’t commit ('al-ta` a seh) this outrageous act ('et-hann e balah). What about me? Where could I get rid of my disgrace? And what about you? You would be like one of the wicked fools in Israel. Please speak to the king; he will not keep me from being married to you.' But he refused to listen to her, and since he was stronger than her, he raped (way`anneh, a form of `anah) her".
Note the similar language used in all three stories; the concubine story also explicitly mentions the lethal violence inflicted on the victim and the Tamar story gives the victim a voice to deny her consent. There are also deeper similarities between the three stories. In each case, the rape sparks a violent retribution with a heavy toll on the rapist's community, and in all three stories the avengers use a ruse to accomplish their goals. In the Dinah story, Simeon and Levi slaughter the rapist's entire male community by tricking them to circumcise themselves; they strike when the Hivites are in pain recovering from the mass circumcision. In the concubine story, the Israelites muster troops to attack the Benjaminites, to " give them what they deserve for this outrageous act committed in Israel" (Judges 20:10), and they fake a retreat in order to ambush the Benjaminites. And in the Tamar story, Absalom invites Tamar's rapist to a sheep-shearing banquet in order to have him killed when he is drunk with wine. So the strong similarities between all three stories supports the interpretation that the story concerns outright rape. Some readers have tried to mitigate the rapey nature of the story by appealing to the statement in v. 3 that Shechem's " heart was drawn to Dinah daughter of Jacob; he loved (wayye' e hab) the young woman and spoke tenderly to her". But in no way does this alter the force of what is stated in the preceding verse. Similarly in the Tamar story, her rapist says that he is "in love" ('oheb) with her (2 Samuel 13:4); he still commits an act of violence against her.
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How many others, besides myself, that take AMBIEN? Done anything crazy while you were on it?
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Leolaia
I take it occasionally, usually only half a pill. I've never had any untoward side effects.
My boyfriend on the other hand had an amusing experience. One day he was getting ready for work and had a board meeting to go to, and he took his morning meds but unintentionally took an ambien (opened the wrong bottle). I was like, holy crap, what's gonna happen now? He figured he better leave immediately to get to the office before it takes effect, otherwise he would be driving under the influence. He then went to the board meeting, but it was something of a disaster. He called me a little later to say that he started hallucinating during the meeting.
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'Dinah Gets Into Trouble' - Does Story 20 Mean Rape = Fornication?
by sd-7 ini was listening, albeit unwittingly, to a 'my book of bible stories' tape and this statement caught me by surprise.
it's found in story 20:.
"one day when dinah came to visit, shechem took dinah and forced her to lie down with him.
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Leolaia
"How did all this trouble get started? It was because Dinah made friends with people who did not obey God's laws."
Unpacking this statement:
1) Original: How did all this trouble get started? It was because Dinah made friends with people who did not obey God's laws.
2) Make into declarative: All this trouble got started because Dinah made friends with people who did not obey God's laws.
3) Remove euphemism: Dinah got raped because Dinah made friends with people who did not obey God's laws.
4) Simplify: Dinah got raped because Dinah did something.
5) Rearrange: Dinah did something; and that caused her to get raped.
That's the quite explicit message. And it has the force of a threat in the very next sentence: "We will not want to make such friends, will we?" That transfers the causality of rape onto the (female) readers of the story who are asked to reconsider their choice of friends in light of this threat.
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Did Israel's Leader come from Bethlehem?
by Doug Mason inthe july 2012 issue of awake!
states that the narratives of jesus birth show that the bible is a book of accurate prophecy.. the aim of this study is to find out what the birth narratives do reveal about the nature of the bible.. what does investigation of the writings of micah, matthew, and luke reveal about the way that the bible should be read and applied?.
does this investigation open the door to a better comprehension of the nature of scripture?.
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Leolaia
I have Gundry's discussion on the passage.
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Leolaia
They have COMPLETELY gone off the DEEP END, picking scriptures that absolutely have NOTHING to do with the point they're trying to make! THAT scripture doesn't have ANYTHING remotely to do with "education preparing a child for responsible adulthood".
Hmmm, Adam and Eve did eat from the forbidden Tree of Knowledge....omg that's it!! THEY GOT THEMSELVES SOME HIGHER EDUCATION AND PAID THE PRICE!
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Conti Trial Transcripts and Court Documents of Attorney Zalkin's cases of 5 victims WT settled out-of-court, San Diego, all available to download using MediaFire
by AndersonsInfo inthe conti trial transcripts have been uploaded using mediafire.. .
conti trial transcript: http://www.mediafire.com/?oj940x48xuuaa.
the public domain court documents for the 5 victims wt settled out-of-court case in may-june 2012, attorney irwin zalkin, san diego, calif., have been uploaded using mediafire:.
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Leolaia
Thanks Barbara!!
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Is July 2012 "Awake!" accurate about Messiah's anointing?
by Doug Mason inawake!
for july 2012 claims that the "seventy weeks" prophecy at daniel 9 predicted the year when jesus would be baptised and anointed by god.. my study of that article and its claim is available at:.
http://www.jwstudies.com/is_awake_accurate_about_messiah_s_anointing.pdf .
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Leolaia
The earliest commentators however were close to understanding the oracle correctly. Hippolytus understood that the anointing was sacerdotal wrt to the Temple, with the first anointed one identified as Jeshua son of Jozedek. He also correctly understood that this figure comes at the end of the seven weeks, and not at the end of sixty-nine weeks as the Theodotionic text he utilized has it.
