Posts by observador

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125,725 JW Publishers are MISSING !!!

by Amazing in

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blueblades posted the 2003 service year report.

the watchtower society makes it appear that they grew 2.2% (which is lower than some of their earlier percentages) ... but the way they present the data, does not reveal the truth.

[note: the chart below is the smallest i could get it ... sorry for the inconvenience.

observador

Amazing,

your "% diff" column needs revising. Just as an example: the number of partakers. Given the number of partakers for 2002 and 2003, the percentual of decrease is 2.226%.

The same goes for some others rows.

Take care.

Observador.

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Hidden Images In WT Publications

by Hunyadi in

first of all, i would like to thank everyone who responded to my first posting regarding the hidden images thing.

i will admit that, after re-reading my initial post, i sounded like some sort of a paranoid alarmist, and i really did deserve the flack i received from some of you folks.. let me just say that there probably isn't a single x-jw who doesn't feel as though they have been duped to some degree with regard to the so-called "bible truth" they received while serving the organization.

many x-jws firmly use the terms "manipulation", "fear", "deception", and even more .

observador

Hunyadi,

I will admit that, after re-reading my initial post, I sounded like some sort of a paranoid alarmist, and I really did deserve the flack I received from some of you folks.

Now you sound a little more reasonable. But remember, whatever you look for in these pictures you most likely will find it.

You may want to carefully read what a guy here nicknamed "gamaliel" wrote in this thread about this subject: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/56369/1.ashx

This poster seems to be knowleageable on these matters.

Take care.

Observador.

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Feb 15 Watchtower: Apostates - Guard Against Deception

by truthseeker in

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feb 15 watchtower: apostates - guard against deception

don't you wish this were the real title of the 2nd study article?

well, it is, minus the word apostate.

observador

An interesting part of the article is something that the WT says more often than not:
on paragraph 6, the writer says: "they reject the visible part of God's organization". On the other hand, it says on paragraph 10: "we will not abandon the organization that God is pleased to use, for we see the clear evidence of his blessing upon it".

Why, this makes no sense to me. If the Organization is God's, there is no reason for him to be "pleased" with it, is there? Much less there is a reason for him to shed his "blessing upon it", right? It makes no sense to bless something that BELONGS to you!

I don't bless my own computer, or my own car or... whatever. I can bless my wife's computer, though, if I believe it will accomplish or it is accomplishing something commendable.

So, the boys at the headquarters sometimes get lost and don't realize how inconsistent are some of the things they say.

Have you also noticed this before?

Thanks, Truthseeker, for bringing this out.

Observador.

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The Society has given up on "holiday witnessing"

by dothemath in

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up until a few years ago......every dec. km had a part encouraging everyone to go in the ministry on the holidays.......christmas day, etc.. no one ever got too excited about it in our cong.

.........it was pretty much a joke to everyone even when commenting on it during the meeting part.. that no longer seems to be the case..........haven't seen any parts like this for a few years now......i guess they've given up completely.. the meeting part usually included some "fine experiences"......but i have heard exactly the opposite from some who actually tried it one time.. have any of you ever went in service on christmas day?

observador

I remember when I was little and the publications were charged for, I would ~~sell~~ place a lot more magazines on the holidays. The idea is that people were more receptive. As I grew older I started gradually to realize what an idiot I was by being a good-time spoiler.

Hopefully I got a little wiser

Garybuss, when I read your posts I can't help start laughing. Thanks for the good laugh.

Observador.

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Hidden Images in the JW Publications

by Hunyadi in

i am a disfellowshipped brother and have never had a problem with the organization's doctrines.

i am, however, deeply disturbed at the undeniable use of hidden or subliminal images in the illustrations of the wt publications.

there are so many that it cannot be interpreted as anything other than a deliberate pattern.

observador

seattleniceguy,

Actually, I think the use of overt messages in pictures is far more effective. I think a site showcasing some of the more ridiculous of those would be pretty cool!

I couldn't agree more!

Observador.

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Hidden Images in the JW Publications

by Hunyadi in

i am a disfellowshipped brother and have never had a problem with the organization's doctrines.

i am, however, deeply disturbed at the undeniable use of hidden or subliminal images in the illustrations of the wt publications.

there are so many that it cannot be interpreted as anything other than a deliberate pattern.

observador

Welcome to the forum!

With all due respect... you have a real good deal of imagination!

Interesting enough, the same illustration of the "Knowledge" book where "same sex couples" embrace themselves is presented by an openly gay member of this forum to show that the WT is trying to convey some kind of (homesexual?) message. Unbelievable! Again, with all due respect.

I am, however, deeply disturbed at the undeniable use of hidden or subliminal images in the illustrations of the WT publications.

If you keep saying often, looking hard and searching, searching very hard, they'll become really "undeniable" to YOU.

Observador.

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The Sin of Sodom & Gomorrah in the Bible and Jewish Tradition

by Leolaia in

i'm starting this thread to post some of my articles that originally appeared on a jokes thread which should probably better appear in the "bible research & study articles" folder.

so here goes...... what was the sin, or sin(s) that sodom & gormorrah was judged for?

the original account in genesis actually does not say.

observador

Leolaia,

I didn't read your second article, but the first one is interesting! It's amazing how much we infer at times.

Thanks.

Observador.

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New on silent lambs regards vicki boer case

by needs_lots in

silent lambs just sent me this.

i thought you all might like to read it.. http://www.silentlambs.org/newsletter/newsletteritem.cfm?sendoutid=157 .

i would love an opinion.. vicki

observador

As for the newsletter, I really think Silentlambs needs a more "PR" conscious writer that can say what needs to be said in a more palatable way. As it is, the article lacked balance, is angry and resentful. Perhaps rightly so, but I doubt it is helpful in reaching a broader audience with their message or in helping abuse survivors to focus on positive feelings and directions in life.

I agree. And besides that, I had a hard time trying to make sense of what was said. They need someone who can put two words (or two phrases) together and make them actually readable.

Their support of abuse victims is commendable, though.

Observador.

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Hate to bring up Rand Cam again but something interesting I found...

by BONEZZ in

check out the new hotbottell me when this page is updated.

dale bradley robinson.

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Bonezz,

thanks for bring this up. Don't apologize for it. I once took a training where we learned that when working as a team, every little tiny bit of info may help to compose the final puzzle's picture.

We may have a big deal here.

Wouldn't it be nice to have this guy posting here with us? Lorris, why don't you suggest him to join the board?

Thanks everyone.

Observador.

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My dad died too

by Brummie in

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november 9th, i got the call at approx 5.15am that morning and have just arrived home from his house in the midlands for the first time since then.

age 65, very happy man regardless of his illness, had all his wits about him but didnt have any lungs left to help him make it through, suffered a lot.

never became a witness inspite of mom and 3 of his children being jws for years.

observador

Brummie,

I'm sorry to hear that. My condolencies to you and the family.

(((((Brummie)))))

Observador.