Posts by Tashawaa

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The 144,000

by johnathanseagull in

hi all, am i right in thinking that the wts teach that the "acceptance door" for being an annoited closed in 1935 or have i got mixed up on this?......

"Now this is my favorite point: In order to make room for replacements, 6000 of the 7500 dead must have fallen away before their death. For those keeping score at home: that's 80% of the Annointed, that were already elderly, sinned badly enough to be dropped from the heavenly hopefull and had to be replaced." - Quote from BUSTER

I don't know how to do those neat little boxes for quotes... anyhoo, my two cents.

I once read that a df'd JW with the heavenly calling, if re-instated wouldn't revert to being of the Great Crowd (earthly hope), but that they would still maintain their original calling.

Hmmmm, I wonder if any of the "newly" appointed ever got demoted.

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The best weapon by far

by DJ in

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hi guys,.

for me, the hardest thing to do now is to continue to try to not be a hypocrit.

as a jw, i was better than everyone in the world because i was no part of the world simply by virtue of my dubdom.

Tashawaa

I hate JW funerals. Even when I was active, I left instructions not to have one. For this very reason (and I've been to a few)... they say about 5 min worth about the "person" - born at so-and-so, loving parent, loved to garden and then 45-55 min on a resurrection talk. Sister Dearly Departed believed... and the speaker counts time.

The last JW funeral I went to was for a sister who had died with cancer. All her kids were "worldly" but one couple. A few of the attendees got up and left in disgust after they realized only 5 min. was going to be spent on her memory.

Frankly, weight out your family relationships and do whats comfortable for you. If you're not going to the "get together" after, why go to the KH? You can grieve and pay your respects personally for the loss. However, I haven't been in this situation... yet.

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What did you do to piss the brothers off?

by Pleasuredome in

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when you were getting fed up with meetings before you gave up, was there anything you did to deliberately get on the brothers nerves?.

i turned up to a meeting once with jeans on, and a red top with cccp on it with the 'hammer and sickle'.

i also went to another bs group a few times so that if i wasnt at one group they'd think i was at the other and vice versa.

Tashawaa

I looove reading this post. I believe "pissing" them off is a vital step in obtaining your freedom and lessening their control. Some things I did:

* One of my family member's went inactive first. Every meeting, I was always asked "where's so and so," blah blah blah. I hated going as is, let alone having been made to feel like I had to explain someone's else's actions. Then one day, a particularly large, intimitating elder, pulled me in the back room to discuss my family member. I got mad. I said I didn't need to answer for their meeting attend and to leave me the *$)#* alone because I didn't find any of it "encouraging". Well, after the meeting, this elder approached me to say he didn't realize he'd get me so upset and he was doing it all out of "love". Well, I let him have it again, except this time in front of everyone sitting within 3 rows (back & forth).

* I started my "inactivity" and one beautiful, sunny, morning I stayed home from the meeting to spring clean. An elder dropped by to "encourage" me, see how I was. I said "fine". Silence. He asked if it was a good idea to stay home from the meeting to clean. I said a simple "yes"... he left.

I did a tonnnne of stuff. The best was acting really stupid in my Committee Meeting. They'd ask me if I got the point of the scripture, and I'd say "no". Then they would all take turns explaining it (out of context) and ask me again. I'd say "no". They were pretty frustrated and pissed off when they took all of 5 min. to discern I had a "wicked heart condition."

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-27 WT Study

by blondie in

" why not, they better get used to it because that is what the elders do.

god is definitely near but the elders will be far away.. logical reasoning.

in conclusion, do the jws really teach gods word or the truth about god?

Tashawaa

Blondie - yes I'm new to the board, but I lurked awhile. I haven't been at a meeting forever, but when I use to go, I use to make the same type of "notes" on the side of my mag. Personal study. Kept me on track. I don't do it anymore, but I love to read the same type of commentaries. Sometimes I pick up an Awake or Watchtower - the last Awake (Oct?) can't remember the exact date, but one of the articles was dealing with Mobile Phones (cell????). One of the illustrations was of a 17 yr old girl who started using her phone inappropriately by talking everyday to a boy in the same congregation. Fortunately, her parents found out and involved the elders. They put a stop to this before it progressed (gotta keep him single for bethel!). I was between laughter & sickened by the control of this poor young girl. Everyone knows that a more appropriate use of her phone with the boy should have been for phone sex and not discussing her problems.

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

Tashawaa

StinkyPantz

According to some logic presented, Doubting Thomas didn't stand a chance.

Last night, I was out for supper with some friends, and we got on this very topic. One person presented an interesting logic... Is God the creator of everything? Is there a limit to his creative abilities? eg. Could He create a boulder heavier than what he could lift?

I thought it was funny.

I believe the most interesting aspect of life is questioning it. Just because there are differences out there doesn't make one "right" and the others "wrong". They could all be equally right or wrong. They're just different. Variety exists. One form doesn't make the rest less or wrong. There are a variety of ideas... who put them all there? Couldn't they all be right? Don't tell me Satan and humans can think beyond God... (lol)

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-27 WT Study

by blondie in

" why not, they better get used to it because that is what the elders do.

god is definitely near but the elders will be far away.. logical reasoning.

in conclusion, do the jws really teach gods word or the truth about god?

Tashawaa

I thoroughly enjoy these commentaries.

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Funny story from when we were leaving.

by JeffT in

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a couple of weeks ago my wife and i took a vacation to celebrate our anniversary.

we spent one day on the beach with some wine and had a long and wonderful conversation about the courses our lives had taken.

she reminded me of something that had happened as we were escaping, and after reading the post from ray franz, i thought i'd relate to the board.. in the spring of 1988 i had reached the end of my rope with the wt.

Tashawaa

Both me and my sister are on the "outs" only a few months apart. It took us a few years. At the beginning, I wasn't sure how she was feeling about everything. I'd visit her, at the time she was pioneering... so one time, I "sorta" suggested we go out for a "drink". She perked up a bit, and said she knew a place, a bar. In my mind I was "yeah!!!". So we did. Me, her and her roommate... all good little JW's - off to the bar. We had a blast, and every time I'd go visit, off we'd go. Soon we were talking about how we felt about things, doctrines, etc. and to my great surprise, we felt the same way. Its good to have a family member who you can talk to. The rest of our family are JW's and don't talk to us at all.

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

Tashawaa

Seeking a treasure you believe in. I watched a Discovery channel special on people looking for Atlantis, the Loch Ness Monster, Sasquach... people believe their abducted by aliens. Somethin' going on. I can't say they're crazy, just that they really do "believe".

Anyhooo, another reoccurring thought I've always had, is the "odds" of the universe/life appearing on its own is A ZILLION-BILLION TO ONE. OK. The "odds" of you being born is the same. Say the flood (lol) didn't happen, you wouldn't have been born. If you're parents hadn't met (or had that one-night stand) - hmmm, you wouldn't have been born. I feel guilty every month, when I'm on the rag, because that egg was a potential life that didn't happen (lol). Yet, here we all are, walking around despite the odds of us being here.

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Stupid Rules - LIST!!!! ( CONTEST )

by breeze in

stupid rules list....

i will start.... number 1) two people have to witness a sin before it is reported to the superior authorities....making me the org the last word in all areas.. the most stupid rule gets to post it once the gb has judged it the most stupid?

maybe simon will be one of the judges..... breeze

Tashawaa

Nowhere - ALBERTA

So many dumb rules... so little time!!! The "social" status within the Org - eg. if you're a Pioneer (lady) you should strive to marry a Pioneer Brother - but in the same breath the brother was encouraged not to marry (go to Bethel, MS School, etc.). Leaves you kinda frustrated :(

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

Tashawaa

StinkyPantz - don't get me going... I question alot. Use to get me in "trouble"... somehow I'd always shut up the group (service). For eg. it use to bug the hell out of me that the Creation Book and now the Creator Book basically discount evolution because no one can explain where "life" originated... yet it never phases them that they all believe that the most intelligent, powerful, all knowing, all giving, blah blah blah just "existed". How wonderful! My mind can't wrap itself around this logic. To tell a scientist he's foolish because he can't explain the "spark" of life, yet I can't tell him where God came from. Ohhh, makes me real smart!!!

Truthfully, if I believe in God, which I'm not sure I do, I have to believe that everything is exactly the way he wants it. No mistakes. Otherwise, do we have a "perfect" God?

I learn from nature. The violence in animals - but also their personalities, and social structures. Homosexuality exists in nature. So does abundant variety. I believe if people want, they can worship God in a variety of ways... only man "limits" the worship to rules. If "God" only wanted one way of worship then it would be clear. It is not clear.