Posts by Tashawaa

Oh, and if you talk to a creationist, and even WT reasoning - everything has "adapted". I think it means "evolved". Just a more "christian" way of viewing it.

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Questions for Creationists

by IronGland in

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what does creationism explain?.

what does it predict?.

what about blind cave fish with residual eyes.

Zech - how do you view God? As a religious person - biblical - or as a force. A comment you made grabbed my attention, the point that poisonous snakes can be used to fight disease. So if you believe in a Biblical God, why in "the Beginning" did he need to make a poisonous snake, since there was not yet any disease? Hmmm, and if he knew there would be sin, he did it "just in case", but then you'd have all these poisonous snakes biting perfect, disease-sin free people ...

Personally, I don't know if I believe in God, but if I did, I'd have to say that everything is exactly the way he wants it to be.

Jjrizo - just read your last post... who wrote the bible?!?!?! I know women didn't. Oh, right it was the men. No, God. Right, now I remember. Thats why its soooo clear and not confusing at all.

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Signs of the Last Days?

by Lin in

i would appreciate some serious discussion and comments on signs of the last days.

i've already run a search for previous posts on the subject, and most of what i found was silly, sarcastic, name calling, etc, but nothing of any real value.

i would really like some information, links even, for some valuable information on the subject.

Tashawaa

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/

I found the above link interesting. The 1400's were a lousy time to be alive.

Happily, I think we're doing OK (as a society). I love our advances... TP, dishwashers, cars, planes, good food, clothes, TV & stereos, computers... you get the idea.

Why do they keep calling it "Crisis in the Middle East"?!?! This crisis has been going on since I was a kid, in the 70's. Shouldn't it be called "Life in the Middle East". Just a thought.

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Comments You Will NOT Hear at the 11-3 WT Study

by blondie in

comments you wont hear at the november 3, 2002 wt study.

"pay more than the usual attention"hebrews 2:1.

introduction .

Tashawaa

Blondie - again awesome job. Next week, since its dealing with apostates, I may have to throw in a few comments of my own.

Hey I noticed you ended one of your comment on a thread that you were an ex-pioneer. Same here.

I once caused a real uncomfortable silence at a pioneer meeting when I gave the wrong answer. We were all asked "What motivated you to enter the full time ministry". I put up my hand and answered "Guilt. I always felt like I wasn't doing enough." OOPS wrong answer. LOVE was what was suppose to motivate me.

Silly me!!! I guess I didn't study ahead. Turned out, as a pioneer, I still wasn't "doing enough". Not enough studies, RV's, mag placements, balanced lifestye, not enough money - you should know the drill. Not making my time.

I don't feel guilty anymore. Or afraid. Or judgmental (oops, I mean discerning). hmmm seems to be alot more room for Love.

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I am new

by madison149 in

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i've been reading this site for about 2 weeks.

the information and support here are great!

i'm trying to fade away from the jw's without having to da myself (because of my many jw family members).

Tashawaa

I'm a newbie too. I faded for about a year, but I'd get a visit about once every 3 months, and then everytime I went to a meeting, an elder would pull me in the back to talk about my attendance. I landed up getting DF'd anyway, 'cause I had to take a stand and support a family member who was DA. Long storry. But I'm glad its all done with now

Apparently, the elders are planning a 3 month campaign to "assist" (via visit) those who are inactive. Just a heads up... you are verrryyy lucky (ahhh, feels soo good to use that word!!!) to have a husband who isn't a witness. Definitely use this to your advantage. Let everyone view you as weak, big deal. Use lots of excuses. Avoid witnesses. Be happy (this pisses them off). When I was fading, I brought up the whole UN thing with my mom... so in some ways she understood "what stumbled me", and until the Society apologizes and shows repentance for their "bad association" - why should I ?!??!? LOL It'll never happen.

Look forward to seeing your opinions and views.

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Venting #&(#!

by Tashawaa in

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i'm getting that religious people realllly get on my nerves - no matter how "well meaning" they are.

i read in one of the posts some advice to the newly "ex'd" and i appreciated it, especially the point how other's may want to "save" you now that you've left your religion.. get this... i work with 2 born-agains and my boss is a mormon.

they've all made some comments about that "i shouldn't let this experience destroy my faith in jesus" (tolerable, assuming i believed in him) however, one co-worker has a new zeal for her born-again faith and has raised many topics with me because she respects my opinion.

Tashawaa

Thanks for the replies... it got me laughing. At least I know I'm not the only one annoyed by it. Yes the lottery, or my favorite - Music Awards. You always get one that "Thanks the Lord".

I partially feel sorry for her. No not partially - fully. I, at one time in my life (its becoming a more foggy memory) wondered "what I was doing wrong" when I was pioneering, my husband (now ex) was an elder, we contributed $$$, answered diligently, looked for the shhhheeeeppp, didn't swear, smoke - well you get the picture - and I got a disease, he got fired, a death in the family all in a few months time. No "blessings" there. Guess I was going thru the "Job" syndrom then.

Now I'm a divorced, casual smoking, binge drinkin', swearing cougar and I'm happy, have a few dollars in the bank, friends galore and the freedom to think and speak (what I'M thinkin' not some churned out "quotes"). I feel very "BLESSED". lol

For me, its the guilt thing again. Also a way for this person to feel that the good in her life is do to her "god-fearing works, love, etc." whereas when bad happens, its basically that person's fault or something other's can avoid.

Ohhhhh - it still pisses me too, with the whole "turn down foolish questioning"... bastards. Don't question anything OR wait until God provides the answer. I'm sick of waiting and I'll ask all the stupid foolish non-answerable questions I GD feel like asking! (hmmm, abit more steam released) LOL

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Venting #&(#!

by Tashawaa in

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i'm getting that religious people realllly get on my nerves - no matter how "well meaning" they are.

i read in one of the posts some advice to the newly "ex'd" and i appreciated it, especially the point how other's may want to "save" you now that you've left your religion.. get this... i work with 2 born-agains and my boss is a mormon.

they've all made some comments about that "i shouldn't let this experience destroy my faith in jesus" (tolerable, assuming i believed in him) however, one co-worker has a new zeal for her born-again faith and has raised many topics with me because she respects my opinion.

Tashawaa

I'm getting that religious people realllly get on my nerves - no matter how "well meaning" they are. I read in one of the posts some advice to the newly "ex'd" and I appreciated it, especially the point how other's may want to "save" you now that you've left your religion.

Get this... I work with 2 born-agains and my boss is a Mormon. They've all made some comments about that "I shouldn't let this experience destroy my faith in Jesus" (tolerable, assuming I believed in him) however, one co-worker has a new zeal for her born-again faith and has raised many topics with me because she respects my opinion. Yesterday, she pissed me off with a "how she's been so blessed". Nothing can piss me off more than this statement. It infers that God chooses who will do well, and who won't, and blesses them accordingly. I told her that I can agree with being appreciative of what we have, however ... blah, blah, blah. The short of it all is, this morning she showed me her morning "scripture" and commentary (shocking how much I'm learning that all religious people are very similar to JWs), and it happened to be on "foolish questioning".

Hell, that use to be thrown in my face all the time as a witness. The threads here are full of them "Kangaroos only in Australia", the "144,000", etc. If it can't be answered by the Bible, then its a "foolish question". How nice and tidy. You're thinking ability is somehow dimishing your FAITH in God. Bullshit. If He exists, He can answer the questions -

ooohhhhhh that felt good. Now back to work.

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Does Our Arguing Scare People Off???

by minimus in

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with so much going on over here, do you think that newbies, lurkers, or potenial apostates could or do get scared off from this place?

if someone is on the fence and they want to explore the internet and are warned that all you'll see are disgruntled apostates, could these forums make them think the "faithful and discreet slave" is actually right?

Tashawaa

As a newbie, and a "lurker" for a time, I always found the arguments interesting. I've learnt alot about other's opinions, whether I agree or not, and feel I can post my views. I think its great. But then, I can be a bit argumentative anyway. I like pushing the limits of my thinking abilities or views on life, spirituality, God, evolution/creation, all of it.

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DESTROYED !

by Derrick in

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the visiting co pointed out in his talk that "people who love to practice evil will be destroyed [very strong vocal emphasis on this word] !

" many of you insist he is referring to those whose only "sin" is not being a baptized jehovah's witness and their children.

after my experiences on the internet from ajwr to h2o to this forum, however, i'm beginning to appreciate that all is not "black" and "white" but many shades of gray, many hues of stunning colors, and a mixture.. why not use the words killed or executed to describe the fate of these evil people, i asked the co afterwards?

Tashawaa

Blame the apostates for "free sex" - hmmm, I was doing it because it felt good. HEY, who on this board has been twisting arms?!?! Stop it right now, and we can all go back to being good, little, JW's before we're all destroyed, oops sorry, killed - no I mean oh, forget it... :(

Gave me a good laugh, and a slight tingly feeling all over!!!