Posts by Tashawaa

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Please Help Me !!!! Desperate !!!!

by Puternut in

jw
friends

i am in serious need of some direction.

for those of you are df'd and have children in the borg, i am going through a crisis.. i have two daughters 19 and 17 years of age and i was privileged to have met with them last night for about an hour.

i haven't seen them for about 7 months, and was able to convince them to meet with me.

Tashawaa

I disagree with Thi Chi...

Realistically - "bend over and take it up the backside" is the only way to have a relationship with your daughters????

You are teaching your daughters, through your example, what type of people they need to be. They need to be themselves. If you TRULY believe you have left "the truth" and the JW's are the right religion and you WANT to go back, by all means go. Thats being true to yourself and your beliefs.

But to compromise yourself for a cult, would do more harm to you and your daughters' relationship than you know. They are at a young age and can identify "hypocrites" quite easily. Thats the quickest way for you to lose their respect.

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Please Help Me !!!! Desperate !!!!

by Puternut in

jw
friends

i am in serious need of some direction.

for those of you are df'd and have children in the borg, i am going through a crisis.. i have two daughters 19 and 17 years of age and i was privileged to have met with them last night for about an hour.

i haven't seen them for about 7 months, and was able to convince them to meet with me.

Tashawaa

Puternut,

I can't speak to you from a peer position (as in df'd, divorced w kids) but I can speak to you from being the JW daughter that had a df'd father.

I was a diehart JW and unlike your daughters, was not overly hurt by my parents divorce. My dad was df'd and it was about a year before we had our first visit with him. I had anger and resentment, but we landed up spending a full day with him. He pulled out a smoke, which shocked me initially. But he talked to us about how he was, what he was doing - made it fun. I tried in some respects to "spoil" it, but he didn't allow any of my behavior or comments to affect him. Over the years he stayed constant in who he was. He always showed us love and never talked down about mom or the religion. I remember once I said something negative about mom to him and he told me to never talk bad about my mother (in a rarely heard harsh tone). It impressed me, because she never held back from dissin' him.

I love my dad, and I'm "out"... unfortunately, I don't have him anymore (too long and too sad a story)... but I can give you this advice:

Love your daughters unconditionally. Without condition. Tell them that. It will seem funny at first and they may not accept it as love (after all, God loves conditionally) - but it will stick in their minds and they will love you the same way.

Do not talk bad about their mother or allow them to in your presence. Trust me - this will impress them with your love.

I would recommend not talking bad or adding doubts about the Society. You do not want to be viewed as a "spiritual endangerment". If your daughters bring up points, encourage it or affirm their thoughts, but do not start it. Just be there to support their thinking. That way either way (they stay JWs or leave) you can have a relationship with them.

From your previous posts it sounds like you are in the first stages of re-establishing your relationship with your daughters. Be patient and hard-as-it-may-be don't push it. It will take time, just make good use of the time you get with them.

Anyhow, this is just my experience of what worked for me from a daughter's point of view. I wish you all the best and I'm so sorry for your situation. It will work out in the end.

23

My new issue.....

by Joysome in

as i've said before i'm very lost and torn and confused.

part of me still believes in the things that i was taught as a jw.

1. armageddon.

Tashawaa

But there are many things that I liked and loved about it.
1. I always had something to do.
2. I used to have a riot in field service. Boy I could tell you some stories.
3. My hall was like watching comedy central. Honestly, the brothers were hilarious on stage.
4. The love. Everyone loved me. I got along with everyone. I mean I was so exemplary that people would have me hang out with their kids to help them and give them someone to look up to. And I loved them all too! I really did.
5. I felt as though I had a purpose. I was going somewhere in life. I don't now. I just don't.

Joysome...

It appears you enjoyed the social aspect of the religion. Perhaps even "helping" people in the ministry. Have you thought about volunteering? There are plenty of organizations that could use your help... and you would make friends through the volunteer activities. Its a great way to "get involved" and would also give you that feeling of "being looked up to".

Please don't take this as offensive, but it appears that your ego was fed (to a degree) through your "example" in the congregation. Nothing wrong with that - but its hard to replace outside the congregation. Perhaps putting this same effort into being exemplary in a charitable way would help replace that joy you use to get.

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UN v Religion - The're at it again !!!

by Amazing in

jw
friends

un proposal: i picked up a comment on another site about a supposed resolution that was to be introduced to the un on january 27th, 2004 that would effectively ban religion.

if this is true, then the jw leaders (governing buzzards) and their followers will have a prophetic field day!!!

here is the link to the claim: http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/1/emw100794.htm.

Tashawaa

Sassy - same thing happened to me. My mom emailed me the news link.

I emailed my mom, that I already knew, with a link to the UN Human Rights specifically their charter to protect Freedom of Religion. I also emailed her the site that initiated the "proposal". Hopefully, she'll see its a small group and anyone can offer any proposal...

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Blind Date.......Who's been on one? How'd it go?.......

by ScoobySnax in

jw
friends

i need to know.

preferably before this coming saturday at 7:30 pm.

Tashawaa

Scoobs, if this is of any help.

I went to a sports bar on both blind dates. There's music, beer, appies, pool tables, darts, etc. It was a great place to have fun without feeling pressured.

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Blind Date.......Who's been on one? How'd it go?.......

by ScoobySnax in

jw
friends

i need to know.

preferably before this coming saturday at 7:30 pm.

Tashawaa

Blondie LOL - you brought back a memory!

My sis and myself were at a convention with a group of "young ones" (love that saying). A br. & sis. were set up by their families and came out with us on their "blind date". They sat across from me & my sis and we could hardly contain ourselves. It was the most pathetic date I'd ever seen. She had brought family pics (from childhood up) to show him and all she talked about was what a great wife she'd make and how spiritual she was. He look like he wanted to bolt. She was about 26. An old maid in JW land.

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Blind Date.......Who's been on one? How'd it go?.......

by ScoobySnax in

jw
friends

i need to know.

preferably before this coming saturday at 7:30 pm.

Tashawaa

Scoobs, I've been on two before I got into a relationship.

Both times the date itself was enjoyable, but there was no "connection". I went on the date to just have fun and see what happens. No pressure - no deep "conversations", just kept it fun and upbeat (even though the guys weren't my "cup of tea").

I work with a lady who was set up on a blind date and she landed up married to the guy.

Best of luck you ole' dawg...

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Peace & Security

by Tashawaa in

over on beliefnet, a dub posted this:.

http://www.formulism.org/news.html.

its a resolution presented to the un to ban religion.

Tashawaa

Cool - whats a C64 BBS???

Funny thing is, you should see how EXCITED they get over the possiblity of this!!!

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Peace & Security

by Tashawaa in

over on beliefnet, a dub posted this:.

http://www.formulism.org/news.html.

its a resolution presented to the un to ban religion.

Tashawaa

Posted on the site was this comment from Spitfire:

I searched the UN site ?freedom of religion? and explored a little history on how the Commission on Human Rights PROTECTS freedom of religion:

Since 1987, the Commission on Human Rights Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief has considered incidents and governmental actions in all parts of the world inconsistent with the provisions of the Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and of Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief and has recommended remedial measures for such situations. Since then, a report has been submitted every year to the Commission on Human Rights and, since 1994, to the General Assembly.

In 2001, on the occasion of the twentieth anniversary of the adoption of the Declaration, the rapporteur?s title was changed from ?Special Rapporteur on religious intolerance? to ?Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief?. The Special Rapporteur?s competence was thus no longer confined to expressions of intolerance and discrimination based on religion or belief, but extended to all issues relating to freedom of religion or belief, whether operational activities to deal with intolerance and discrimination or activities to prevent them.

Resolution 2002/40 of 23 April 2002, of the Commission on Human Rights deals with freedom of religion or belief . All the activities carried out as part of the Special Rapporteur?s mandate fall into two basic areas of concern: operational activities to deal with intolerance and discrimination based on religion or belief; and prevention of intolerance and discrimination based on religion or belief.
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The website posted by Bibleman is one groups? opinion. The KKK has an opinion, so does the Nation of Islam? but that doesn?t mean their views or opinions will be adopted on a worldwide scale.

RHW is correct, anyone can propose ANYTHING to the UN, but it certainly doesn?t mean it will be adopted as apart of the UN Charter or Mandate.

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Peace & Security

by Tashawaa in

over on beliefnet, a dub posted this:.

http://www.formulism.org/news.html.

its a resolution presented to the un to ban religion.

Tashawaa

Over on BeliefNet, a dub posted this:

http://www.formulism.org/news.html

Its a resolution presented to the UN to ban religion. They're all excited over the prospect! Sad really.

Freedom from Religion | Proposed UN Resolution / Charter Amendment | Version 1.1 WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS HEREBY VOW * to save succeeding generations from the scourge of organised religion, a folly which has brought untold sorrow to mankind through the division, hatred and conflict it engenders, and * to reaffirm an individual's right to freedom of belief, freedom of conscience and freedom of prayer, and * to establish conditions under which these freedoms can be privately exercised. AND FOR THESE ENDS WE UNDERTAKE 1. To outlaw, with immediate effect, the public expression of religious beliefs, including the use of symbols, clothing or markings which are synonymous with any currently or previously existing religions. 2. To outlaw, with immediate effect, public acts of worship or religious declaration. 3. To outlaw, with immediate effect, private gatherings of three or more people for the purposes of engaging in acts of worship or religious services. 4. To outlaw, with immediate effect, the publication of books, literature or articles which seek to promote religious beliefs or encourage adherence to religious doctrine. 5. To outlaw, after a period of amnesty, the personal ownership of books or materials which seek to promote religious beliefs or encourage adherence to religious doctrine. (Books of academic or social interest will be made freely available to schools, universities and public libraries). 6. To outlaw, with immediate effect, the celebration of religiously significant dates. 7. To begin, with immediate effect, the destruction or reassignment of predominantly religious buildings, such as churches, mosques and temples. (c) Copyright 2004, formulism.org. All rights reserved.