Posts by Tashawaa

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...not so much as eat with such a person...

by Tashawaa in

matthew 5:

anyone who is angry with his brother without having a good reason will be judged in court.

anyone who says wrong things to his brother will be judged for it in the big court.

Tashawaa

Matthew 5: 22 `But I tell you this. Anyone who is angry with his brother without having a good reason will be judged in court. Anyone who says wrong things to his brother will be judged for it in the big court. Anyone who says "You fool!" will be judged to go into hell fire.

1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pears, or costly array;

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of [Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater, or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling, slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindler or a robber. [No} you must not so much as eat with such a person.

Will you be disfellowshipped for calling your brother "a fool"? How about if, as a woman, you braid your hair, wear gold or pearls?

What is the reasoning not to disfellowship? The scripture in Matthew makes it clear that you are facing a supreme judgment for such a "sin". Timothy states that woman should not "make themselves up" (woman who are Mennonites or Hutterites take this very seriously).

So what is the reasoning for disfellowshipping those who eat a meal with a disfellowshipped person?

This was the reason I was expelled. I ate in a public restaurant with my sister (who was living with me) who was disassociated. She was no longer calling herself "a sister". She was no longer a Jehovah's Witness. I said this to my JC. They stated that I shouldn't eat in a public place with her. I asked "can we eat together at home?". They looked at me like I was stupid and said "of course, just not publicly". Then I said, "but the scripture doesn't make reference to either a public or private meal". I guess I wasn't repentant enough.

Why is the exaggeration, stressing to watch your association with hypocritical brothers/sisters who may be leading a double life, used as a means to expel from the congregation - when other scriptures that use the same type of exaggeration to stress their point, is not taken so "literally"?

35

When You "GO", How Do You Want It To Be???

by minimus in

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friends

now that we realize we're not just going to "live forever in a paradide earth", and that we are going to die, eventually, how do you want to go??

did you ever think about it?

?

Tashawaa

I want to die in a way thats remembered. I don't have anything else that I'll be remembered for, so it may as well be my death...

5

Out of a job...

by Tashawaa in

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friends

i use to try to imagine the work i'd do in the new system.

everyone it seemed had their own idea of what paradise would be.

i use to despise the idea of 3 acres (???

Tashawaa

Elsewhere, soooo true. I remember listening to a MAJOR verbal fight between two brothers (out in service) over whether we'd have technology in the "new system". It was hilarious. Finally, a sister put an end to the fight by saying that "God would satisfy every desire"...

3

The end of a dream...

by Tashawaa in

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friends

perhaps the hardest part of leaving the jws, is emotionally letting go of the "dream".. as i was waking up this morning, caught in that state of leaving a dream and realizing i was in my bed, feeling the air circulate from my overhead fan, it dawned on me that the end of my "dream" is unknown.. i used to take comfort in knowing that there was god.

there was good and evil.

satan existed, and everyday, i had entered into battle to maintain my integrity.

Tashawaa

Mona Lisa was a man !

Well, one theory is that its a self portrait of Da Vinci...

5

Out of a job...

by Tashawaa in

jw
friends

i use to try to imagine the work i'd do in the new system.

everyone it seemed had their own idea of what paradise would be.

i use to despise the idea of 3 acres (???

Tashawaa

I use to try to imagine the work I'd do in the New System. Everyone it seemed had their own idea of what paradise would be. I use to despise the idea of 3 acres (???) per person (who would make our goods - spoons, materials, nails, paint????). Anyhoo, I started to think about all the jobs that would be missing because of "paradise".... All these people would be out of work:

Doctors, nurses, paramedics, surgeons... all those that manufacuture their goods - surgical knives, heart monitors - and in relation to that, all pharmicutical companies, Pharmacists. Extend that to producers of Asprin, Ben-Gay, etc. Anything health related.

Obviously, funeral directors, mortuaries, cemetary caretakers, people that engrave headstones and make caskets, etc. Any field that has to do with death.

OK, I've named two areas and then you need to think about the extending support networks that supply those fields.

Who else is out of work????

3

The end of a dream...

by Tashawaa in

jw
friends

perhaps the hardest part of leaving the jws, is emotionally letting go of the "dream".. as i was waking up this morning, caught in that state of leaving a dream and realizing i was in my bed, feeling the air circulate from my overhead fan, it dawned on me that the end of my "dream" is unknown.. i used to take comfort in knowing that there was god.

there was good and evil.

satan existed, and everyday, i had entered into battle to maintain my integrity.

Tashawaa

Perhaps the hardest part of leaving the JWs, is emotionally letting go of the "dream".

As I was waking up this morning, caught in that state of leaving a dream and realizing I was in my bed, feeling the air circulate from my overhead fan, it dawned on me that the end of my "dream" is unknown.

I used to take comfort in knowing that there was God. There was good and evil. Satan existed, and everyday, I had entered into battle to maintain my integrity. I knew the outcome of this war. One day a spectacular scene would play out in this world, akin to a scene from "Independence Day" (or any movie supernatural destructive scene). I knew I would "probably" be protected. I could envision the aftermath, and the joys that laid ahead with our "happy ending". There was a comfort I took in my imaginary "us vs. them" mentality. I was priviledged to know of this great story that was unfolding in my lifetime. I did not have to plan, or think about my future in this system, because I already knew what it was. I was special.

Now, I face each day, not knowing the "ending". I prepare for a day when I may retire. I'm prepared (with life insurance and a will) in case today is my last. I don't know if there is an afterlife and no longer live for an "invisible promise". I don't know whether humankind will ever overcome the demons of war, sickness, hunger, poverty ... but I'm much more optimistic about our capabilities to do such. I no longer believe in "inspired" fairy tales.

Its been years that I've been out, however, at times I still marvel at the emotional release. The emotional letdown of letting go of "the dream".

It was a selfish dream...

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How many near death scary stuff happened to you?

by kls in

did you ever think that you should have died.

i mean like scary stuff that happened to you and wonder why you are still here .

i have had so many but the one's that stick out of my mind are ,when i took my son ( who was 16 at the time ) for a drive in my 1968 charger, when i heard a pop, i was going up a hill and all of a sudden flames started to shoot out of the hood.

Tashawaa

kls

I think you should walk or take public transport

5

If Evolutionists used Creationist tactics...

by Tashawaa in

if evolutionists .

creationist tactics:

they'd still be teaching piltdown man, 60 years after it was proven as a hoax.

Tashawaa

They'd "point by point" break down a satire thread

34

silly lines in the bible

by stillajwexelder in

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friends

even if one accepts that the bible is the word of god - one of the most stupid lines is "you must make her pregnant with semen" err what the hell else can a woman be made pregnant with ?

milk?.

have you all any stupid lines in the bible that come to mind?

Tashawaa

"when donkeys fly"?

Frannie - they're unclean... so wouldn't it be "when pigs fly?"

5

If Evolutionists used Creationist tactics...

by Tashawaa in

if evolutionists .

creationist tactics:

they'd still be teaching piltdown man, 60 years after it was proven as a hoax.

Tashawaa

If Evolutionists
used
Creationist tactics:

They'd still be teaching Piltdown Man, 60 years after it was proven as a hoax.
They'd never have re-examined Nebraska Man, and would be teaching it now.
They'd write their own interpretation of Genesis, and then point out the holes in it.
They'd buy (or just make up) bogus theology degrees and discredit religion.
They'd use snake oil salesman tactics to make their debates more entertaining for audiences.
The audiences would be biology and paleontology majors bussed in and psyched up beforehand.
They'd use pseudo science to appeal to the masses.
They'd demand Christian churches spend equal time teaching a pantheistic tradition, to allow for fair and even consideration among the congregation.
They'd stop teaching evolution and just attack Creationism.
They'd misquote Creationist literature to make it seem stupid and contradictory...well, no, actually, they accomplish that NOW, by directly quoting.
They'd mispele a lot of wrds, AND WRIET WITH CAPLOCKS ALL THE THYME!
You couldn't get a science degree without signing a statement of evolution.
Research results would have to match
You could win half a million dollars by keeping 500,000 animals in an for one year.
They'd picket ' ' with signs showing which animals weren't from the Jurassic.
They'd refuse to donate money to museums, and then complain about how their donations were being wasted on misinformation exhibits.
They'd print little comic books about evolutionary theory and litter them around playgrounds and Sunday School classrooms.
They'd count all the different religions, even ones with no followers alive today, and say that there are hundreds of competing theories on Creation, Salvation and the Afterlife, as if that would discredit any individual religions.

You could earn a million dollars by invoking ANY deity and having he/she/it create life, in lab conditions, subject to certain restrictions:

only atheists allowed within laboratory
no pantheistic traditions
no holy materials
no sacrifices
no rituals, except any ritual common to ALL religious traditions that have a creation myth
miracles and holy presences count only if proven to be an incontrovertible manifestation of God, not possible instance of psychic or illusionist ability
must conform perfectly to a manifestation previously recorded in scripture
scripture to be submitted beforehand
Invocation will be determined to be fraudulent (in intent or in result) if:
Created life perfectly matches a life form currently living on Earth (copying is not creating)
Invoker is suspected of being possessed
Invokee is without physical form
Invoker holds a position of authority within the religious community
Invoker is on record has having been abducted by a UFO
Invocation can be reproduced, in part or in whole, by a stage magician with sufficient preparation
Created life completely different from known 'kinds' (impossible to accurately evaluate 'new' life forms)

Evidence deemed to be convincing will be forwarded to unspecified 'scientists.' They will determine the factualness of the evidence, and it's impact on current evolutionary theory.