Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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The "Flood" in Noah's day--why wasn't that Armageddon enough?

by Terry in

the great day of god the almighty certainly is a fit description for the destruction of men, women, children, grandmothers, infants and puppy dogs in the days of noah.. why didn't destroying everybody on earth except a remnant of 8 count as armageddon?.

i mean, if you are starting all over by genocide--shouldn't it count for more than bad temper?.

what are we missing?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Trivia question: Who can tell us the date for the first time this idea was tried out and failed?

"Here we furnish the evidence that from the creation of Adam to (but not including) A.D. 1873 was six thousand years. And though the Bible contains no direct statement that the seventh thousand will be the epoch of Christ's reign, the great Sabbath Day of restitution to the world, yet the venerable tradition is not without a reasonable foundation." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 39. 1889)

Note: Russel openly acknowledges two points:

1. his teaching had no scriptural basis, yet he taught it anyway, and,

2. the teaching was really a tradition of men, not a teaching of God

Other than that it was a great doctrine (not!)

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The "Flood" in Noah's day--why wasn't that Armageddon enough?

by Terry in

the great day of god the almighty certainly is a fit description for the destruction of men, women, children, grandmothers, infants and puppy dogs in the days of noah.. why didn't destroying everybody on earth except a remnant of 8 count as armageddon?.

i mean, if you are starting all over by genocide--shouldn't it count for more than bad temper?.

what are we missing?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

[edit] Let us not forget, the entire 1975 fiasco was based on the premise of a 7,000 year creative "day". 6,000 years of human existence from Adam's creation allegedly ended in 1975, thereby beginning the next 1,000 year period, the seventh (and the wished-for demise of billions of non-JWs).

The WT may have changed their tune for no other reason than to distance themselves from that piece of hopelessly flawed historical nonsense.

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The absence of DUE PROCESS and the threat of the "invisible" gun

by Terry in

the watchtower society is a monolithic power invested by its own self with power of attorney representing the supreme being in his dealings with mankind.

the watchtower represents itself as the "mouthpiece of god".

it speaks for jehovah.. but, does it treat the persons it deals with fairly and with due process?

AndDontCallMeShirley

I really wonder why the Watchtower judicial system even maintains the fantasy of an "appeal process" at all.

Exactly.

I guess it at least gives you slim hope the Holy Spirit may have gotten it wrong....or was out of town that day.

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What are the qualifications to be a baptizer at the assemblies?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

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AndDontCallMeShirley

Again I need to repeat to you, an apostate baptized a servant of Jehovah , he baptized a sincere individual that wanted to serve God. May Jehovah have mercy upon me.

Seems like the Holy Spirit should've prevented that. But, HS also supposedly appointed the Elder, so why not the apostate in the pool, too. Oh well....

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The "Flood" in Noah's day--why wasn't that Armageddon enough?

by Terry in

the great day of god the almighty certainly is a fit description for the destruction of men, women, children, grandmothers, infants and puppy dogs in the days of noah.. why didn't destroying everybody on earth except a remnant of 8 count as armageddon?.

i mean, if you are starting all over by genocide--shouldn't it count for more than bad temper?.

what are we missing?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

This doesn't mean God didn't love the people He destroyed; they are His children, just as we are.

Hmmm....isn't this the same reasoning a wife-beater uses? He beats the s**t out of his wife, then claims he loves her and won't do it again? Then when he beats her again, says he loves her....

Terry- to your point, God has no one to blame (if you believe in God) for past and present flaws in humanity but himself. He created humans; the creation is a perfect reflection of it's creator (the Bible even says it- created "in his image"). But, the potter continues to blame the pot for the way it turned out.

Even with humans one person will often lash out at another, not because they're so different, but because one person sees their negative attributes in the other, and it makes them uncomfortable and angry. I've come to this conclusion about the thought of a creator: humans reflect so perfectly the qualities of their creator (how could we not), rather than being diametrically opposed, that it makes him uncomfortable. So, he lashes out, blaming the creation for being exactly the way he made it to be- a carbon copy of himself.

And, it's not just humans. According to the Bible, the angels went their own way as well, long before the creation of humans. The entire history of all of god's creation, spirit or human, is a failure. Or is it? Maybe the end result is inevitable and actually a success (albeit negative)-depending on how you view it.

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The "Flood" in Noah's day--why wasn't that Armageddon enough?

by Terry in

the great day of god the almighty certainly is a fit description for the destruction of men, women, children, grandmothers, infants and puppy dogs in the days of noah.. why didn't destroying everybody on earth except a remnant of 8 count as armageddon?.

i mean, if you are starting all over by genocide--shouldn't it count for more than bad temper?.

what are we missing?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

P.S. -- The "nephilum" is a fanciful story and did not refer to angels at all.

I always find it interesting when an apologist argues for God and the Bible....then dismisses some portion of it they don't agree with.

If this person can dismiss the story of the Nephilim as "fanciful", then why can I not reject the entire account as absurd?

If one part of the story is suspect and can be dismissed, then why not some, or all, of the rest of it, too?

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New Explanation On United Nations Membership From Circuit Overseer.

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

i had the chance to speak with a circuit overseer, he was not my circuit overseer and it was my chance to get the offical party line why the watchtower joined the united nations.. .

"are you a jehovah witness he asked me?

(theocratical warfare allows lies according to the gb!

AndDontCallMeShirley

Maybe the Watchtower only used "fractions" of their NGO status, and not the four main components.

Problem solved.

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New Explanation On United Nations Membership From Circuit Overseer.

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

i had the chance to speak with a circuit overseer, he was not my circuit overseer and it was my chance to get the offical party line why the watchtower joined the united nations.. .

"are you a jehovah witness he asked me?

(theocratical warfare allows lies according to the gb!

AndDontCallMeShirley

"Everybody knows they never joined the UN. Joined is not accurate."

If an active JW sat in on Sunday worship at the local Catholic Church, would it matter one iota to the Elders whether that JW "joined" the Catholic Church or not?

What if the JW said he only went to the Catholic Church to use their library, nothing more? Would the Elders let the JW off the hook because he hadn't actually "joined" as a member of the church? No!

The Elders would conclude the JW violated his "Christian neutrality" simply by entering the church and/or using their resources for his own benefit.

Whether the Watchtower actually joined the UN as a member, by WT's own standard, is irrelevent. They are guilty for having ANY association with the UN in any capacity.

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Wow, the crap that they will believe....

by okage in

about a week ago, i posted that my sister in law believes the earthquake in china is proof that there are more earthquakes today than before.

i posted the details that i sent her that show hands down that there is no increase in earthquakes.

and i also posted that she never replied.

AndDontCallMeShirley

"She also believes that when you die, the government looks over all your expenses related to national healthcare, and takes your assets to repay itself."

I think your mom is confusing the government with what the WT actually does when it takes family inheritances.

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Leopold Engleitner, oldest survivor of the Nazi Concentration Camps dies, 107

by designs in

many of us know of him and his remarkable story during the dark years of wwii.

as a jehovah's witness he went to the death camps rather than renounce his faith and pacificism.

rip .

AndDontCallMeShirley

"Millions Now Living Will Never Die"

Oops, there goes another one. RIP.