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  ...The WBT$ Theft of Kingdom Hall Bank Accounts and JW Elders...

  by OUTLAW in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  .. the new wbt$ donation arrangement/ jw kingdom hall bank account theft... is a very hot topic right now... the wbt$ is literally going to clean out kingdom hall bank accounts,filled with donations from jws... that theft is going to happen world wide..the wbt$ is going to steal from 7 million plus jw`s... .. we have jw elders here on jwn,that know whats going on... they "serve" in kingdom halls,they are "supposed" to be looking after the welfare of the average jw... they know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..the rest will be kept secret... they know the wbt$ is about to steal jw donations..on a world wide scale!!!...

  .. i would like to know what you active jw elders are going to do about this??!!...

  are you going to let "your" congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?...

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Teary Oberon: People also seem to be forgetting that, on the positive side, many congregations will actually get financial relief due to the new arrangements, thanks to Watchtower taking on loan payments and major repair and renovation costs themselves.

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  Read the letter, TO. Congregations are still obligated to pay ("donate") the same amount as their loan payments...or MORE! Unlike a loan, which has an ending date when it's paid off, the donation arrangement is, in essence, a permanent loan which never goes away.

  Incidentally, WT does not 'take on loan payments'. Loans are made to congregations with money that Publishers themselves donated, then donations from the same Publishers re-pay the loans that they themselves funded in the first place. None of it is WT's money.
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  "Probably You Might be Saved" - Somewhere in Zephaniah As I Recall

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower (and old-timers in the org) love to quote old testament passages that were directed toward israel.

  however, the new testament is "a better covenant based upon better promises".. in the following verses, salvation is not described as a possibility, but as a certainty, as a present possession for the original christians:.

  justification is a present possession (rom.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Perry- what about atheists who do charitable acts and are working for the betterment of humanity? Is god working through them also?? LOL.
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  "Probably You Might be Saved" - Somewhere in Zephaniah As I Recall

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower (and old-timers in the org) love to quote old testament passages that were directed toward israel.

  however, the new testament is "a better covenant based upon better promises".. in the following verses, salvation is not described as a possibility, but as a certainty, as a present possession for the original christians:.

  justification is a present possession (rom.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Perry: Born Again Christians have historically been the most generous people on earth

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  How about some proof to support this claim, Perry. I imagine if you were a Unitarian, then Unitarians would be the most generous people on earth. The hubris of your statement is astounding.

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  My God IS DOING SOMETHING in the world through the people he inhabits

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  Really??? So ultimately humans are still responsible for doing it all...as always. So, you support charities...but god gets the credit, correct? Does your god do anything demonstrable that would prove his involvement in an undisputable way? No? I didn't think so,
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  "Probably You Might be Saved" - Somewhere in Zephaniah As I Recall

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower (and old-timers in the org) love to quote old testament passages that were directed toward israel.

  however, the new testament is "a better covenant based upon better promises".. in the following verses, salvation is not described as a possibility, but as a certainty, as a present possession for the original christians:.

  justification is a present possession (rom.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Note Perry's warmhearted response to the current situation of starving children and god's lack of doing anything about it:

  "The soul is eternal. This life is but a vapor."

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  This answer does a few things for the Christian Fundamentalist :

  1. he doesn't have to answer why his god does nothing

  2. starving to death now?? get over it!! Remember, you're just vapor (BTW,Perry, excruciating pain to a person starving to death doesn't feel like "vapor")

  3. Why do anything about suffering now? It'll all be magically fixed in the 'next life'.

  4. He can easily get on with his day and not think about fellow humans that are experiencing unimaginable suffering.

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  While Perry pokes fun at WT, he fails to realize his beliefs are just as untenable....and just as silly from the perspective of someone who believes something else.
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  162

  ...The WBT$ Theft of Kingdom Hall Bank Accounts and JW Elders...

  by OUTLAW in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  .. the new wbt$ donation arrangement/ jw kingdom hall bank account theft... is a very hot topic right now... the wbt$ is literally going to clean out kingdom hall bank accounts,filled with donations from jws... that theft is going to happen world wide..the wbt$ is going to steal from 7 million plus jw`s... .. we have jw elders here on jwn,that know whats going on... they "serve" in kingdom halls,they are "supposed" to be looking after the welfare of the average jw... they know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..the rest will be kept secret... they know the wbt$ is about to steal jw donations..on a world wide scale!!!...

  .. i would like to know what you active jw elders are going to do about this??!!...

  are you going to let "your" congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?...

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  WTS has some sort of ulterior motive, and this will provide the justification for it

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  Full-on tithing...just like Christendom.
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  162

  ...The WBT$ Theft of Kingdom Hall Bank Accounts and JW Elders...

  by OUTLAW in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  .. the new wbt$ donation arrangement/ jw kingdom hall bank account theft... is a very hot topic right now... the wbt$ is literally going to clean out kingdom hall bank accounts,filled with donations from jws... that theft is going to happen world wide..the wbt$ is going to steal from 7 million plus jw`s... .. we have jw elders here on jwn,that know whats going on... they "serve" in kingdom halls,they are "supposed" to be looking after the welfare of the average jw... they know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..the rest will be kept secret... they know the wbt$ is about to steal jw donations..on a world wide scale!!!...

  .. i would like to know what you active jw elders are going to do about this??!!...

  are you going to let "your" congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?...

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Incidentally, the REAL instructions Re; expectations for the "donation" arrangement, are found on the pages that are NOT to be read to the congregations. WT was very specific that these pages are to be kept secret, for the elders only. That's why when ones like Old Hippie ask about it, they are not going to get a straight answer.

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  Sir82: But what happens when Brooklyn is expecting $1145 per month, and the amount rendered is $800, then $600, then $400....for month after month after month after month....?

  From page 3:

  • What should be done if congregation funds are not sufficient to cover resolved donations?

  If sufficient funds are not available for all resolved donations in a particular month, additional funds should not be solicited. The elders should determine what amounts from the congregation funds that are available at the end of the month will be applied toward the resolved monthly donation(s) and whether the shortfall should be made up in future months. However, it would be appropriate for the elders to remind the congregation of the resolved monthly commitments. If the congregation can no longer contribute the amount(s) they resolved on a regular basis, the elders may consider the situation at the next annual review of the resolution for Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide.

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  The bottom line: WT is getting their money one way or the other
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  162

  ...The WBT$ Theft of Kingdom Hall Bank Accounts and JW Elders...

  by OUTLAW in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  .. the new wbt$ donation arrangement/ jw kingdom hall bank account theft... is a very hot topic right now... the wbt$ is literally going to clean out kingdom hall bank accounts,filled with donations from jws... that theft is going to happen world wide..the wbt$ is going to steal from 7 million plus jw`s... .. we have jw elders here on jwn,that know whats going on... they "serve" in kingdom halls,they are "supposed" to be looking after the welfare of the average jw... they know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..the rest will be kept secret... they know the wbt$ is about to steal jw donations..on a world wide scale!!!...

  .. i would like to know what you active jw elders are going to do about this??!!...

  are you going to let "your" congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?...

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Old Hippie: on direct question from me yesterday evening to the elders, the whole congregation was told that we will keep everything which we now have and which in future will come in in access of the donation amount.

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  1. Then your BOE either has not read the letter, or

  2. they've read it and do not understand it, or

  3. They've read and understand it and are defying the GB

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  The letters from WT clearly indicate congregations are to keep only a minimal amount of money in their bank accounts to cover "minor" repairs and monthly expenses. The rest is to be forwarded to WT.

  As others on JWN have already reported, their BOE's have voted to clean out their accounts immediately and send it to WT. That is what is expected.
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  What happened to the kingdom hall in Bonham, TX that went independent?

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone know what became of the congregation in bonham, texas that went apostate in the 1980s?

  didn't they get control of the hall?.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  The last information I read on it the original KH is still sitting empty and unused. The new one is a few miles away.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/197640/1/The-real-story-on-why-The-Watchtower-society-lost-a-Kingdom-hall-in-Bonham-Texas
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  162

  ...The WBT$ Theft of Kingdom Hall Bank Accounts and JW Elders...

  by OUTLAW in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  .. the new wbt$ donation arrangement/ jw kingdom hall bank account theft... is a very hot topic right now... the wbt$ is literally going to clean out kingdom hall bank accounts,filled with donations from jws... that theft is going to happen world wide..the wbt$ is going to steal from 7 million plus jw`s... .. we have jw elders here on jwn,that know whats going on... they "serve" in kingdom halls,they are "supposed" to be looking after the welfare of the average jw... they know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..the rest will be kept secret... they know the wbt$ is about to steal jw donations..on a world wide scale!!!...

  .. i would like to know what you active jw elders are going to do about this??!!...

  are you going to let "your" congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?...

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  2. 
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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  There are three kinds of people in the world:

  1. Those who make things happen

  2. Those who watch things happen

  3. Those who say, "what happened?"

  The vast majority of JWs are #3. They won't realize they've been shaken down (mugged by a corporation) until the money is gone and they are left with nothing but an empty bank account and more disillusionment.

  Elders? Some have a conscience and have read all four pages of the letter to their congregations (as reported here on JWN), but most will simply allow themselves and every JW they know to be fleeced by WT. It's all for Jehovah™, don't you know??
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  New to The Jehovahs Witness Faith and need some help

  by jnjburkett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello there i am new to the faith and have been studying for about a month.

  i am very excited and hungry for the truth and have not missed a meeting or study since the memorial.

  we do about 2 bible studies a week.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  To JNJ:

  Read how an UNBAPTIZED person who's studying with JWs was treated recently for simply asking questions about WT:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/280110/1/jwsurvey-com-article-that-fleshes-out-the-apostate-talk#.U30xa43n_Sc

  This will give you a good idea of what you're getting yourself into.