Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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Worry Over Possible "Spying Elders"

by abbasgreta in

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this seems to be a real worry for 'faders' on a number of threads.

the responses to ducati's first posting.

is a good example.

AndDontCallMeShirley

KW: I think elders are going to be more abusive and start calling disloyal ones apostates

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It's already going that way, and WT is escalating its view that anyone, including active JWs "in good standing", who expresses anything "negative" about the Org. is to be viewed as an opposer:

day text 3-1-14

".... Let us therefore have nothing to do with apostates or anyone who claims to be a brother but who is dishonoring God. This should be the case even if he is a family member. (1 Cor. 5:11) We are not benefited by trying to refute the arguments of apostates or those who are critical of Jehovah’s organization. In fact, it is spiritually dangerous and improper to peruse their information, whether it appears in written form or it is found on the Internet.—Isa. 5:20; Matt. 7:6. w12 5/15 4:12, 13

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oh cr@p!! its my turn for "an elder called and wants to arrange a shepherding call" thread. Moral support please.

by MissFit in

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is coming and the elder wanted to set up a visit.

it's not like i wasn't warned.

there was a thread that talked about the push to call on inactive ones.. thanks to the heads up here, i knew the motive for the call.. i don't think i even know that eld.

AndDontCallMeShirley

The best thing to do is ignore them. They'll quickly lose interest.

If they press you, say that what you really need right now is money.....you'll never hear from them again.

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I am the Worlds greatest lover.

by new hope and happiness in

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i am the worlds greatest lover!.

do i really expect you to be believe that?.

honestly?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

As a JW I was The World's Greatest Lover (sorry new hope...it's me, not you).

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As an ex-JW, I'm The World's Greatest Greatest Lover ♥

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What Do Mormons Really Believe? RE: The Nov. 8, 1995 Awake Magazine

by D_Rolling_Kearney in

i am a member of the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints, and i have written a heavily-documented response to the official magazine of the jehovah's witnesses, awake!, that claims to teach what we believe.

i saw an article from last year's watchtower about a guy who had barely been mormon for very long, and obviously did not know what we believe, who was given this magazine by jw's to show him "the truth.

" he claims to have proven to himself that it was true from information on the lds church's website.

AndDontCallMeShirley

I've had several discussions with Mormon missionaries over the years. After they insist the BM (appropriate, isn't it?) is an improvement on the Bible, and a new 'testimony' revealing Jesus and truth, I would ask them why it quotes a large percentage of the KJV verbatim and repeats the same errors the KJV made?? That would usually get the deer-in-the-headlights response. Either they didn't know that fact or they did and were embarrassed someone other than them knew it too.

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"It is tough to discover that what you have believed in and invested your time in for so many years is a false hope and even a fraud/scam. You can spend hours and a lot of verbiage in rationalizing justification and excuses to continue the learned belief system." - Douglas A. Wallace, former Mormon

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After reading the Book of Mormon, Mark Twain said, "It is chloroform in print."

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Jason Cobb on the new tithing arrangement (this is good!)

by Rufus T. Firefly in

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http://jtv-podcast.tumblr.com/post/87641202438/the-wheat-and-the-weeds-updates-on-the.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Notice how the elder spins it to seem like a loving provision.

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I believe Pol Pot, Hitler and others used the same exact reasoning when they did what they did too. Tyrants always spin their agenda as being a good thing.

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What Do Mormons Really Believe? RE: The Nov. 8, 1995 Awake Magazine

by D_Rolling_Kearney in

i am a member of the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints, and i have written a heavily-documented response to the official magazine of the jehovah's witnesses, awake!, that claims to teach what we believe.

i saw an article from last year's watchtower about a guy who had barely been mormon for very long, and obviously did not know what we believe, who was given this magazine by jw's to show him "the truth.

" he claims to have proven to himself that it was true from information on the lds church's website.

AndDontCallMeShirley

DRK: "I have written a heavily-documented response"

soon followed by:

"I was not aware that this forum was exclusively ex-JW's, I just thought there were some on here"

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Is this an example of your investigative acumen, DRK ??

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International conventions - Seattle

by Lynnie in

just found out from my jw mom that the congregations located in the suburbs north of seattle.

will be renting buses to shuttle people back and forth to the international convention at husky.

stadium.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Renting Husky/UW facilities (something the above account says never happens!):

http://www.gohuskies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&ATCLID=208228762&DB_OEM_ID=30200&DB_OEM_ID=30200

Husky Stadium Capacity: 72,500 Built: 1920, Renovations: 1950, 1987, 201-12.

Husky Stadium | Seattle, Washington

Annually voted the most scenic football structure in the nation, Husky Stadium has proven to be a monstrous opponent for visitors hoping to pin a loss on Washington's gridiron heroes. With nearly 70 percent of the seats located between the end zones, Husky Stadium can be one of the loudest stadiums in the nation, with crowd noise averaging over 100 decibels. Nestled high above Union Bay on Lake Washington, Husky Stadium's seating capacity of 72,500 makes it the largest stadium, college or professional, in the Pacific Northwest and ranks it among the nation's top 15 largest on-campus facilities.

The view from Husky Stadium is unmatched, overlooking Lake Washington and offering sweeping skylines of Downtown Seattle, Mt. Rainier and the Cascade Mountains to the east and the Olympic Mountain Range to the west.

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Facilities rental info. Page:

http://www.gohuskies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30200&ATCLID=208588960

2. AUTHORIZED USERS
"Authorized Users" are those groups that are allowed to use the ICA Rental Facilities/Fields. These user groups are categorized as follows:

ICA: The Department of Intercollegiate Athletics.
RSP: The Department of Recreational Sports Programs.
Other UW Groups: University organizations other than ICA or RSP.
Educational: K-12 educationally sponsored events.
Non-Profit: Groups with a 501(c)(3)
Outside: Non-university organizations sponsored by a University academic, administrative unit or executed location agreement of filming.

Please contact the Event Management Office at 206-543-2246 for availability and rental rates.

http://www.gohuskies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30200&ATCLID=208228752

http://www.gohuskies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209261492&DB_OEM_ID=30200&DB_OEM_ID=30200

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International conventions - Seattle

by Lynnie in

just found out from my jw mom that the congregations located in the suburbs north of seattle.

will be renting buses to shuttle people back and forth to the international convention at husky.

stadium.

AndDontCallMeShirley

This is an e-mail that was circulating among JWs a few weeks ago about the convention in Seattle and the claimed obstacles WT was having finding a convention site. As is usual with these stories, JWs spare no effort with their self-important view of JWs and the WT, and how Satan tries to stop the work but Jehovah™ wins everytime.

Incidentally, I did a fair amount of research trying to substantiate the claims in the e-mail. All I can say is, what a pile of bovine residue this whole "experience" is. While the JW who wrote this claims Husky Stadium is never, ever rented out to anyone for any reason, the fact is, if you go directly to the University's website, they have an entire section dedicated to nothing but information on how groups can rent their facilites! They do it all the time:

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Here's the e-mail:

"Below is a report about preparing for the Seattle, Washington International Convention. Helps you to realize that it is Jehovah’s will that we attend conventions and assemblies and that Jehovah is the one who makes it happen as long as we obey him and his channel. To begin with, the brothers involved in working with the public for these international conventions all had to fly to NY and attend a special training on how to handle this according to the branch's specifications. Had to be done very professionally... Originally, the brothers tried to get either the Safeco Field (where the major league baseball team plays) or Century Link (where the football team plays) but neither place would schedule out as far as we needed (since they started this process a couple years ago). So they turned to the University of Washington for the beautiful Husky football stadium. They were promptly told they do NOT rent their stadium out to anyone! EVER! That it had to do with security issues and it just couldn't happen. So the brothers told the branch they couldn't get a place and the branch told the local brothers there would be no international convention on the west coast if they couldn't get a facility. So they went back to the UW and talked to them some more. Again it was about security. So the brothers told them about our own security but they said it was Homeland security issues. They were told we would all have to submit to being searched before entering - bags, et al. The brothers said no problem. Well, next they said to try to discourage us was they would have to have references (probably thinking we wouldn't have any!) from BIG stadiums like theirs - not little ones like the Tacoma Dome where we usually have the convention. So they told them they could call QualComm in San Diego and Dodger Stadium in L.A. So they called and asked them how they handle working with us; the security, cleaning, etc. and they both basically said they just hand the keys over and we take it from there... So UW FINALLY decided to make this 1 exception to rent it out to us! However, there was only ONE weekend all summer long that we could have it - the 4th of July weekend! It turns out - that was the one weekend the branch WANTED us to have it!!! They want this to be a HUGE witness to Seattle! (There are 3 states invited to attend - us, Idaho and Montana with a total of 34 or 37,000 expected.)

Next, the brothers had to find lodging at hotels that were used to getting $300/night and they were offering $140.! The hotels all said "NO WAY! We have gigantic cruise ships coming in here that are full of people who are willing to pay the $300. So after this went on for a while, the brothers got to feeling really disheartened about the whole thing and so they had to call the branch again and tell them they couldn't get lodging. The branch told them - "you keep hitting the walls and Jehovah will blow the trumpets" so they kept on asking. Finally, 1 of the major hotels changed their minds and gave in. After that, one by one they all gave in and accepted our offer! All the attendants and brothers working in the facility, the parking lots and everywhere else will be having special training. The Governing Body wants EVERYONE to attend this event - including the elderly and infirm - so extra special attention is being given to how they can be accommodated comfortably. From the drop off and parking to their seating which will be the closest to the doors. And the congregations are expected to take care of the elderly and infirm in their own congregations while at the convention. There are big, giant video screens in several places so that no one will have to turn their heads to view them and everyone will have a good view of the speaker!

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Like I said, go the the U of W website and see their webpage detailing how anyone can rent their stadium. This story is pure WT bulls**t ! But JWs will lap it up without question and use it as "proof" that Jehovah™ loves the WT.

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1975 end prediction

by FL_Panthers in

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does anyone have the article written by the wt saying that the end would come in 1975?.

how did people back then come to this year?

i need this information becuase i was told, this was never literally written by the wt in any publication.. thanks.

AndDontCallMeShirley

If the whole 1975 thing was just the musings of a few JWs, as WT claimed, and not the result of fervor whipped up by WT itself, then why did 10% of JWs leave the Org. after the failure?

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Steve2: Panthers has the ideal mentality for survival in JW-land. Lots of seemingly searching questions "backed up" with a low tolerance for making the effort to find the answers.

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Exactly. It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic. It's amazing how those who claim to be in the "Truth" have so little interest in actually learning the truth. The level of intellectual sloth defies imagination.

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1975 end prediction

by FL_Panthers in

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does anyone have the article written by the wt saying that the end would come in 1975?.

how did people back then come to this year?

i need this information becuase i was told, this was never literally written by the wt in any publication.. thanks.

AndDontCallMeShirley

At the risk of handing a dollar to a vagrant and he'll just buy booze with it, here you go:

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"Discussion of 1975 overshadowed about everything else. 'The new book compels us to realize that Armageddon is, in fact, very close indeed,' said a conventioneer." (Watchtower 15/10/1966, p. 629)

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"Just think, 1975 marks the end of 6,000 years of human experience.....Will it be the time when God executes the wicked?....It very well could be, but we will have to wait to see.' (Watchtower, 1/5/1967, p 262)

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"Why Are You Looking Forward To 1975?"
… "What about all this talk concerning the year 1975? Lively discussions, some based on speculation, have burst into flame during recent months among serious students of the Bible. Their interest has been kindled by the belief that 1975 will mark the end of 6,000 years of human history since Adam's creation. The nearness of such an important date indeed fires the imagination and presents unlimited possibilities for discussion." (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494)

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"Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that not reason to increase our activity?...Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end." (Kingdom Ministry, May 1974, p. 3)

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and, after the spectacular crash and burn of all that was supposed to occur in 1975, the WT offered a lame assed "apology" in true WT fashion- which means it's not really an apology in the traditional sense of the term. Incidentally, the "apology" came five years after 1975. Really? Hardly convincing:

"With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of mans existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, There were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated....In saying anyone, the Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah's Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date. (Watchtower, March 15, 1980, p. 17-18)