Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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A Kindlier More Gentle Jehovah?

by sparky1 in

"for you must not prostrate yourself to another god, because jehovah, whose name is jealous, he is a jealous god," exodus 34:14 nwt 1984 edition.

"you must not bow down to another god, for jehovah is known for requiring exclusive devotion.

yes, he is a god who requires exclusive devotion.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Apog: Once again, check your black-and-white thinking at the door. Do you really take me for a WT apologist, knowing so little about my stance after I've made 3000 posts here?

Asking a question constitutes "black and white thinking"?

Where did I even hint I take you for a WT apologist, Apog?

It seems you are having a conversation with yourself and projecting your musings onto any unlucky person who crosses your path (or wanders into a dialogue with you).

Incidentally, you still haven't answered my questions....

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A Kindlier More Gentle Jehovah?

by sparky1 in

"for you must not prostrate yourself to another god, because jehovah, whose name is jealous, he is a jealous god," exodus 34:14 nwt 1984 edition.

"you must not bow down to another god, for jehovah is known for requiring exclusive devotion.

yes, he is a god who requires exclusive devotion.

AndDontCallMeShirley

sparky1 was playing expert by quoting the dictionary

Show us where sparky claimed to be an "expert".

He asked some questions, then added if he's wrong in his thinking he'll correct himself.

As stated at the AGM where the Bible was introduced, many changes in wording were prompted by difficulties that translators in foreign fields were having with the old NWT...To prevent any further confusion, they used a more explicit phrasing as to what God requires, leaving no room for error in translation or understanding. It's as simple as that.

You'd think Jehovah would have anticipated this problem with the NWT 1.0 and done it right the first time. Why is it that Jehovah doesn't make any changes until after "worldly" scholars have done all the heavy lifting?

If it was so "simple", why didn't WT figure it for over 60 years?

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Dr. Kent Bradly and Dr. Nancy Writebol's healings Prove to me there is a God!

by BucketShopBill in

i get tired of using the argument of "the mystery of evil" to attack god but where are we when we see heroic acts of godly courage from great humans like dr. kent bradly and dr. nancy writebols wonderful works of love?

did you listen to dr. kent bradley's concern and loving compassion for west africa?

he's not angry superstitious mobs destroyed several make-shift medical facilities to treat victims of ebola, no, dr. bradly implored the world to "help save west africa".

AndDontCallMeShirley

That still doesnt mean you are the spokesperson for religious people though.

Strawman argument, millie. The OP is a religious person who plainly stated his belief. How is it that I am a "spokeman" for religious people when I'm merely discussing the point a religious person presented? Unless you are arguing Bill is the only religious person in the world that has this particular view. In that case, the worst you could accuse me of is being a spokesman for BucketShopBill.

Actually, if you read my comments as you claim, you'd realize that you and I are in total agreement, so 'refuting' me with comments like this one is silly:

For a lack of something to prove anything - you would first have to first establish that the "thing" (miracles, healing, whatever) had validity.

You're so focused on arguing with me you fail to realize you are validating the very points I made earlier in the discussion.

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How to Avoid the Faithless Spirit of most here-

by DocHouse in

1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.

2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.

3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.

AndDontCallMeShirley

1- Pray to God (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding

So if god gives understanding, as you claim, and all a person has to do is ask, why did you list points 2-6?

Wouldn't study and research indicate a lack of faith in the god you just prayed to?

James 1: 5- If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

So how do explain the same confusion now among the religious that has existed for millenia? Your god must suck at answering prayers...

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A Kindlier More Gentle Jehovah?

by sparky1 in

"for you must not prostrate yourself to another god, because jehovah, whose name is jealous, he is a jealous god," exodus 34:14 nwt 1984 edition.

"you must not bow down to another god, for jehovah is known for requiring exclusive devotion.

yes, he is a god who requires exclusive devotion.

AndDontCallMeShirley

I was wondering why you were accusing them of intellectual dishonesty by saying the same thing in clearer phrasing. That's the whole point of the new revision.

WT has always claimed the NWT was the ultimate Bible translation on the planet- the most accurate, blah, blah, blah (after all, didn't Jehovah guide the GB through the whole "translation" process?)

A revision seems absurdly contradictory if the claims were even remotely true.

I'm with sparky...I guess I missed the joke too.

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Dr. Kent Bradly and Dr. Nancy Writebol's healings Prove to me there is a God!

by BucketShopBill in

i get tired of using the argument of "the mystery of evil" to attack god but where are we when we see heroic acts of godly courage from great humans like dr. kent bradly and dr. nancy writebols wonderful works of love?

did you listen to dr. kent bradley's concern and loving compassion for west africa?

he's not angry superstitious mobs destroyed several make-shift medical facilities to treat victims of ebola, no, dr. bradly implored the world to "help save west africa".

AndDontCallMeShirley

millie: The goal is to at some point grow out of that way of thinking.

Read what I actually said. My comments are based on what religious people claim. I didn't say it had to make any sense.

Something good happens: god did it

Something bad happens: Satan did it (or bad luck...whatever).

BTW, religious people do think they are the center of the universe. Everytime they pray for something they expect god to bend the laws of nature just for them...because they are so special.

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Looking for details about the Org , property ownership and not a religion in Mexico

by Crazyguy in

i was unable to find any details on this on jwfacts, anyone have details on the wt not being a religion so they could instead own property?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

This is no different than the claims WT has made about Hitler's Nazi Germany.

WT claims that JWs were told they could not read the Bible or worship Jehovah, so they stood firm for "true worship" by choosing to go to concentration camps and/or be executed in order to not compromise their Christian faith.

WT's claim is patently false.

In the form a JW could sign to gain their freedom, no mention is made saying, or implying, that a JW could not read the Bible or worship god. The Nazis required a JW to disassociate themselves from the Watchtower Society only and the JW agreed to not promote WT teachings.

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Looking for details about the Org , property ownership and not a religion in Mexico

by Crazyguy in

i was unable to find any details on this on jwfacts, anyone have details on the wt not being a religion so they could instead own property?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Apog: Not sure I see the problem here.

What does WT drum into every JW as to being present for the entire meeting or assembly program? Do not miss the song and prayer because these two components are a vital part of our worship.

Yet, in Mexico, WT was willing to dispense of these vital components and went a step further by also doing away with the Bible itself !!

This isn't a problem?

What would happen to an individual JW who on his own refused to sing songs at the KH, refused to participate in prayers and refused to use the Bible?

Most certainly they'd be disfellowshipped under some charge of "brazen conduct" or disrupting the peace of the cong. But in true hypocritical WT fashion, when the GB decides unilaterally to dispense of its own self-claimed "vital" aspects of worship for no other reason than to protect its corporate/financial interests, suddenly the heretical becomes acceptable.

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Dr. Kent Bradly and Dr. Nancy Writebol's healings Prove to me there is a God!

by BucketShopBill in

i get tired of using the argument of "the mystery of evil" to attack god but where are we when we see heroic acts of godly courage from great humans like dr. kent bradly and dr. nancy writebols wonderful works of love?

did you listen to dr. kent bradley's concern and loving compassion for west africa?

he's not angry superstitious mobs destroyed several make-shift medical facilities to treat victims of ebola, no, dr. bradly implored the world to "help save west africa".

AndDontCallMeShirley

So if healings "prove" there is a god, wouldn't complete lack of healing prove there isn't a god?

Oops, Christians don't like to consider the other side of that coin.

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A Kindlier More Gentle Jehovah?

by sparky1 in

"for you must not prostrate yourself to another god, because jehovah, whose name is jealous, he is a jealous god," exodus 34:14 nwt 1984 edition.

"you must not bow down to another god, for jehovah is known for requiring exclusive devotion.

yes, he is a god who requires exclusive devotion.

AndDontCallMeShirley

How then did the 'scholars' that translated this new NEW WORLD TRANSLATION (2013 edition) make the intellectual jump of converting the word JEALOUS into the phrase 'REQUIRING EXCLUSIVE DEVOTION'?

1. WT does not have, and never has had, any scholars in its ranks.

2. Intellect has little to do with anything WT does.

3. "intellectual dishonesty". Bingo! You've hit upon WT's bread and butter.