AndDontCallMeShirley

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  ISIS Recruits Children To Perform Beheadings, Shoot Rifles, Carry Out Terrorist Attacks

  by Bangalore in

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  isis recruits children to perform beheadings, shoot rifles, carry out terrorist attacks.. .

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-training-children-behead-launch-terrorist-attacks-article-1.1921995.

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  @ bemused---

  I read the article from the site you linked. You are correct:

  "There were 55,544 non-fatal injuries in 2011 resulting from assaults involving guns — up from 53,738 in 2010 and 44,466 in 2009, the CDC’s database shows. Since 2001, the rate of gun injuries is the second highest in 11 years when adjusted for population."

  but, interestingly enough, the article adds:

  "However, Barber said gun violence has “dropped precipitously” from the early 1990s — a trend criminologists chalked up to “changes in the crack cocaine market.” Her observation is supported by crime data and surveys.

  The CDC’s most current data show there were 11,078 homicides committed with guns in 2010 — or about 30 per day. The CDC data also show gun homicides have declined each year since 2007, falling from 12,791 in 2006 to 11,078 in 2010, even as the nation’s population grows. In fact, the homicide rate in 2010 (3.6 per 100,000 people) was the lowest since at least 1981 — which is as far back as the CDC’s online database goes."
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  ISIS Recruits Children To Perform Beheadings, Shoot Rifles, Carry Out Terrorist Attacks

  by Bangalore in

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  isis recruits children to perform beheadings, shoot rifles, carry out terrorist attacks.. .

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-training-children-behead-launch-terrorist-attacks-article-1.1921995.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  @ bemused. Thanks for your reply.

  Look at the context of sammie's comment. The context is clearly involving violent, intentional killing with firearms within the topic of ISIS, then with a HUGE leap, fanatical Middle Eastern jihadi violence gets overlayed on Joe Average citizen living in the USA- as if there's a correlation. You posted figures which included accidental shootings to bolster sammie's claim, and added your own personal speculation to justify it:

  The original phrase used was victims of guns I think, which can reasonably include aggressive non-fatal injuriesalthough perhaps accidental injuries are slightly more questionable to categorise in this way.

  On what basis do you come to your conclusions? Actually, if you look at the statistics, there's no question about categorizing accidental injuries as accidental injuries.

  Note also in my figures that 62% of total gun fatalities are comprised of suicides. Again, this undermines sammie's claim that when a shooting occurs it's people killing other people (murder).

  So, in the 2010 figures I posted above (because you used that year as an example) of all gun-related incidences, 11,101 were actual murders. Of the 11,101 murders a large portion of those are the result of things like gang-related violence, which means it's not gun violence among the general population (i.e. law abiding, responsible gun owners) but among a sub-group of criminals. That number eviscerates sammies argument using a completely fictitious number of 100,000.

  To your credit, at least you showed more interest in being accurate than sammie did.
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  ISIS Recruits Children To Perform Beheadings, Shoot Rifles, Carry Out Terrorist Attacks

  by Bangalore in

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  isis recruits children to perform beheadings, shoot rifles, carry out terrorist attacks.. .

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-training-children-behead-launch-terrorist-attacks-article-1.1921995.

  bangalore.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  In 2011, the latest figure available from the Centers for Disease Control,
  
  
  Accidental discharge 851
  Suicide 19,766
  Homicide 11,101
  Undetermined Intent 222
  
  Total: At least 31,940 people died from gun injuries in 2011.
  
  Also 258 people were killed during legal intervention, most of them due to guns.
  
  Guns were involved, but were not the primary cause of death:
  -in 2 fatal accidents.
  -in 6 homicides.
  
  Previous years:
  2010 31,328 people
  2009 31,177 people
  2007 31,224 people
  2004 29,569 people

  http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_gun_deaths_are_in_the_US_every_year

  bohm: If an alien cannot tell the difference between someone shooting a carboard cutout and somebody shoot a human the alien do not know anything about humans so why should we care?

  The whole example is so filled with speculation and fantasy based on unknown "what ifs" it is absurd anyone would post it as a valid counter-point in a serious discussion.
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  ISIS Recruits Children To Perform Beheadings, Shoot Rifles, Carry Out Terrorist Attacks

  by Bangalore in

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  isis recruits children to perform beheadings, shoot rifles, carry out terrorist attacks.. .

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-training-children-behead-launch-terrorist-attacks-article-1.1921995.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Is Sammie's number really that far out? US statistics from Factcheck.org:

  Gun Murders in 2010 - 11,078

  Gun Suicides in 2010 - 19,392

  Non-fatal gun injuries in 2011 - 55,544

  So about 86,000 gun victims in the US per year.

  You are using the figures from two different years to arrive at an annual figure.

  At least be honest.

  Sammie also fails to differentiate what she's talking about. She goes from talking about children/ISIS/killing/murder with firearms directly to the "100,000 gun victims per year" argument. Well, in your figure above (albeit from two different years) it clearly says 55,544 NON-FATAL injuries in 2011. "NON-FATAL" means no one died, therefore it cannot be used in support of any argument alleging that all gun-related incidences lead to death. "non-fatal" also does not indicate deliberate, violent use of a firearm; it can mean a hunting accident or the all-too-familiar story of someone cleaning their loaded gun and accidentally shooting themself, which obviously only supports an argument about how stupid some people can be.

  Again, I'm not arguing for or against guns, but it irritates me when people cherry-pick and misrepresent in order to "prove" their point. If you can't do it honestly then stay out of the discussion.
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  The Great Crowd Catch 22

  by Perry in

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  just had a two hour conversation with my father.

  he is insistent that he will be able to enter the kingdom of god as a member of the 'great crowd'.

  he did agree that only the annointed are declared righteous.

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  The reality is

  LOL
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  A question for Athiests.

  by new hope and happiness in

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  i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

  some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

  i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

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  I'm assuming that's an attempt at humor, VG?
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  A question for Athiests.

  by new hope and happiness in

  1. jw
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  i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

  some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

  i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  I can assure you cofty and I are not the same person.

  I live in the USA, cofty lives in the UK.

  He's been here a lot longer than I have.

  Thank you for your (disturbingly) intense focus on who I may be, Paris.

  Oh, and my name is AndDontCallMeShirley. Please include the "And" and drop the " ' " from my moniker in any future rants you may make in my general direction, Paris/VG. -Thanks

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  Viv- you are a sexy beast...at least in my mind.
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  All these people will be destroy unless they become JWs (Watchtower teaching)

  by hardtobeme in

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  no matter what they do, they will be destroyed forever!!!!

  i can't believe i used to believe that s**t!!!!.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx28dw9devu.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  shouldn't we be killing as many of our neighbors as possible? If the GT hits tomorrow, won't our neighbors die without the hope of a resurrection?!?!

  By WT reasoning, once a person has heard "the Truth", they are now responsible. If they reject WT's message, they are a goat and will be destroyed. So, really, aren't Jehovah's Witnesses doing people a disservice by preaching to them?
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  All these people will be destroy unless they become JWs (Watchtower teaching)

  by hardtobeme in

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  no matter what they do, they will be destroyed forever!!!!

  i can't believe i used to believe that s**t!!!!.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx28dw9devu.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  The crucial question to ask regarding those people in the video is: how much field service time did they report last month?

  Don't let their kindness fool you...we really must stay focused on the important things here.

  "Really nice house ... I wonder if it'll become available soon after Armageddon, because I'd love to take it".

  Isn't it interesting how it never occurs to JWs like this that maybe they won't be there either?! The arrogance is astounding.
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  A question for Athiests.

  by new hope and happiness in

  1. jw
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  i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

  some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

  i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  to Paris: thou doth protest too much.

  to cofty: I think the answer to your question is "yes".

  Paris is a big fan of...her former persona (VG).