Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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How could you justify that God killed all firstborn children in Egypt?

by Mr Fool in

was it necessary for god to kill all innocent firstborn children?

no other way out for the almighty god?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

If God exists, then He is merciful, kind, just, all knowing, all powerful.

Counting myself as a believer in God, and in the scriptures, I never even ask myself these questions. And certainly God doesn’t need to justify His actions

So, you are able to determine that god is "kind" and "just" by use of your own faculties, yet when it comes to looking at god's actions critically suddenly those same faculties are not enough to call a spade a spade when god acts unjustly?

If your reasoning is not sufficient enough to condemn god's actions as unjust, how is that same reasoning able to praise god ? If it's too flawed to judge him, then it's too flawed to praise him too.

And don’t buy into that JW nonsense

Mormon nonsense is better?

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Michael Brown verdict discussion policy - take II

by Simon in

i had originally thought that making the rules clear about what was and wasn't going to be allowed when discussing the michael brown verdict that we'd be able to avoid some of the unpleasantness that surrounded the subsequent trayvon martin trial discussions.. michael brown verdict discussion policy.

i had hoped that once the evidence came out there would not be as many people promoting opinions that contradicted it.

unfortunately, that appears to have been naive of me.

AndDontCallMeShirley

designs: I showed simple proof of Giuliani's arrest being the better way to deal with shoplifters.

Where's your Frisbee ?

Forest for the trees, designs, forest for the trees....

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US Supreme Court rejects JW blood transfusion case.

by Emily24 in

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http://www.minbcnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=1129875#.vh1mijhf_ng.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2014/12/01/supreme-court-religious-beliefs-appeal/19734249/.

"washington (ap) -- the supreme court won't hear an appeal from the estate of a michigan woman who died following a kidney transplant after turning down a blood transfusion because of her religious beliefs.. the justices on monday let stand a state appeals court ruling that said the estate of gwendolyn rozier could not sue her doctors for negligence.. rozier received a kidney from her daughter in a 2007 surgery but doctors later found that her body was rejecting the organ.

AndDontCallMeShirley

"The choice was hers to make, whether for reasons of religion, or for altogether different reasons entirely, or in fact for no reason at all. But as in any aspect of life, where choices result in consequences, Ms. Rozier’s choice resulted in a consequence for her. Sadly, that consequence was her death."

Realistically, the decision was NOT hers to make. WT made it for her, and not abiding by WT rules Re: refusing blood, carries heavy consequences for a JW, namely, expulsion from the group.

It is ironic that JWs will fight the court when it attempts to intervene and force a blood transfusion on a JW child to save its life, then JWs will turn to those same courts to sue the doctors who do the best they can with what is, essentially, one hand tied behind their backs, to accomodate the JWs choice to refuse blood.

"choices result in consequences".

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Why is it wrong for Christians to celebrate Christmas?

by james_woods in

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this was inspired by terry's thread.... it is something that raises many questions about the jw belief system.. .

for one thing - the bible certainly explains all the details of the christ birth.

it certainly does not tell people to avoid celebrating it with feasts, customs, etc.

AndDontCallMeShirley

my mom explained it to me this way, its not in the bible.

Neither is JW.Org, so JWs shouldn't have a website either.

(isn't childish linear thinking great?)

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Wasn't a letter about the NGO situation read at the Hall?

by Apognophos in

okay, so i've been seeing the occasional comment here and there on the forum that some jws, even elders, do not seem to have heard about the society ever being an ngo.

am i not remembering accurately?

back when this scandal happened (2001?

AndDontCallMeShirley

As Island Man pointed out, whether or not a letter was read to the cong. in general was wholly dependent on if this became an issue in the cong. If a cong. didn't know about it, and the BOE didn't write to Brooklyn asking questions, WT wasn't volunteering anything.

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Why is it wrong for Christians to celebrate Christmas?

by james_woods in

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friends

this was inspired by terry's thread.... it is something that raises many questions about the jw belief system.. .

for one thing - the bible certainly explains all the details of the christ birth.

it certainly does not tell people to avoid celebrating it with feasts, customs, etc.

AndDontCallMeShirley

CT Russell had no problem with IBSA members celebrating Christmas. While acknowledging that Dec. 25th was not an accurate date, CTR saw no reason why a Christian could not celebrate Christmas in good conscience.

On the other hand, Rutherfraud tirelessly looked for/invented ways to make JWs different than all other Christian denominations, so Christmas got trashed along with just about everything else.

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Any Veggie Juicers Here?

by SnarlingRaven in

i have been juicing off and on for a couple of years ever since i saw a the documentary, sick, fat, and nearly dead, and my health has taken a remarkable upswing.

no doubt in my mind that drinking live celled water rich green veggie juice is one of the best things you can do for your health and longevity.

time is sometimes a thing, and don't always have the time and patience to juice the veggies and clean up the juicer parts.

AndDontCallMeShirley

I've been juicing for seven years. Technically, it's not "juicing"- I use a commercial-grade VitaMix, so I get all the fiber along with the juice.

Started as a result of a big health scare and have been doing it everyday since then. It was intrumental in my turnaround and helps to maintain my health now.

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do jws even read and absorb mathew ch 5 and 6 ?

by sowhatnow in

i mean its says right in there not to pray in public, or babble on, how many 10 minuet long babbling prayers have you endured ??.

where in the bible does it tell us anyone prayed for a large group of people publicly, or even in front of the family at their homes?.

it says in vs 14 to be forgiving, how can disfellowshipping someone be forgiving?

AndDontCallMeShirley

Read and absorb??

Foreign concepts (and essentially useless) to a JW.

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Wasn't a letter about the NGO situation read at the Hall?

by Apognophos in

okay, so i've been seeing the occasional comment here and there on the forum that some jws, even elders, do not seem to have heard about the society ever being an ngo.

am i not remembering accurately?

back when this scandal happened (2001?

AndDontCallMeShirley

My understanding is the WT did respond only to BOEs and only if that BOE initiated the query to WT headquarters. No letter has ever been read to the cong. in general that I have heard of firsthand. WT never freely volunteered information about the NGO scandal, as that would be close to transparency for WT's tastes.

And, predictably, the few BOE's that did enquire about it and received a letter from WT, the explanation/answer/B.S. was completely dishonest. In other words, A BIG FAT LIE !

( I know this because I talked with an elder who's BOE did receive a letter...and the "explanation" WT gave was pure, unadulterated bovine residue).

BTW- I doubt 99.9% of JWs have a clue about this issue. WT is very good at hiding the truth...and JWs are very good at voluntary ignorance.

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New Monthly Report Suggestion!

by The Searcher in

just an idea for the weekly g.b.

conclave to consider - unless it's too christian for them to think about!.

paul wrote this to the "israel of god" - galatians 6:2 " go on carrying the burdens of one another, and in this way you will fulfill the law of the christ.".

AndDontCallMeShirley

As "Morpheus" alluded to, Ray Franz, in CoC, made the comment that the most important aspects of being a Christian (i.e. charity, taking care of orphans and widows, etc.) cannot be counted on a Field Service time slip; and WT has absolutely no interest in those things.

A JW man can be a good father, loving husband, and show tremendous love by way of charitable works toward his fellow JWs...but if he is a "low hour" publisher the elders will view him as substandard, weak- useless to the Org.

However, if some JW douchbag (read: elder or elder wannabe) is a complete dick but gets 15 hours a month in f.s., he's viewed as an "exemplary" JW and a man (using the term loosely) worth emulating and moving up the coroporate ladder via more "privileges" and meaningless titles.

As usual, WTs priorities are completely backwards.