Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

Vidiot: if the WTS was ever placed in charge of a country to rule it as they see fit..."apostates" would be sentenced to death without possibility of appeal or reprieve.

In more than a dozen countries people who espouse atheism or reject the official state religion of Islam can be executed under the law, according to a recent report by the International Humanist and Ethical Union. But there is an ongoing debate about the "Islamic" way to deal with apostates.

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Note how WT laments the fact thay JWs cannot simply murder apostates:

w52 11/15 p. 703 Questions From Readers

We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine.

Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates.

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"The obligation to hate lawlessness also applies to all activity by apostates. Our attitude toward apostates should be that of David, who declared: 'Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies.' (W 7-15-92).

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If JWs still believed in Jesus (questionable at this point), they may remember that he said to pray for your enemies. He also alluded to the idea that wishing someone dead was as good as being a murderer.

As far as disfellowshipping goes, is there really any real difference between being dead and a JW treating a person as if they are dead?

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If I Were Still A JW I Would Think We Had To Be Living At The Time Of The End!

by minimus in

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friends

with all the terrible things happening on this earth, i bet most witnesses feel that jehovah god has to step in..

AndDontCallMeShirley

The WT organization was expecting Christs arrival in kingdom power in 1914. It published this date years before its arrival.

Actually, since 1874.

Ironically, CT Russell didn't accept the 1874 date as Jesus' return until 1876. Two years late to the game for god's alleged 'faithful slave' and it's been downhill ever since.

When it all went south, 1874 was changed to 1914.

Wash, spin, rinse, repeat.

The 1914 date foundation was a major mistake because of what Jesus said at Matthew 24:36, Matthew 24:42 and Acts 1:7.

Or maybe the real mistake is believing in the fanciful musings of ancient goatherders.

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Why do ultra rich jehovahs witnesses get a free pass when it comes to being materialistic?

by hoser in

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friends

i know a couple of jws in my town that are both very wealthy.

one has upscale retail stores and owns a property development company.

the other has a large service company and owns a lot of real estate.

AndDontCallMeShirley

I have many problems with the Borg. But some elders being rich is definitly not one of them. Good for them.

I have a BIG problem with it for one simple reason: It provers JWs do not believe what they preach.

When an elder gives a talk telling the entire congregation that Armageddon is "close," coming anyday now, and we (meaning everyone except me, the rich elder) must "simplify" their lives for kingdom interests and not be wasting time planning for retirement, living the good life, developing a career, etc., while the elder is doing the exact opposite, it is ultimate hypocrisy.

If these elders really believed the end was close/soon/coming anyday now, they would sell everything they have in order to preach WT's life-saving message.

If they don't believe what they say from the platform...SHUT THE HELL UP !!

I have no problem with any JW being rich. But don't condemn riches and the good life for everyone else while simultaneously building your own empire.

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If I Were Still A JW I Would Think We Had To Be Living At The Time Of The End!

by minimus in

jw
friends

with all the terrible things happening on this earth, i bet most witnesses feel that jehovah god has to step in..

AndDontCallMeShirley

Unfortunately, the WT shell game has been making victims of JWs for over 100 years now. Some things never change:

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"Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

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Creationism emails from a JW

by TheStumbler in

earlier this year, i received an email from a jw family member with a link to this video:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1ruhkgqjug.

i wrote a long reply debunking the video (mostly copying talkorigins info).

AndDontCallMeShirley

I think it is absolutely hilarious when religious people point fingers at someone else, especially scientists, and make accusations of fraud, deceit and believing in "fairytales". A classic case of the kettle calling the pot black.

This is doubly so for JWs. If they only knew how much WT quotes out of context and cherry-picks to 'prove' their theology. Of course, the JWs who sent you this video will no more check out the source material alluded to in the video as they would verify what's in WT literature. They'll take half-baked claims and run with it, convinced they've added to their college education by reading the WT.

Great response to them, TS.

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JWs say, "They don't judge"

by skeeter1 in

what is up with jws?

lately, i've heard this line, "we don't judge .

but, doesn't everyone judge?

AndDontCallMeShirley

At this rate, they're gonna have nothin' left pretty soon...

WT is like Doritos: "Don't worry, we'll make more".

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Using New JW.ORG Merchandise to Share the Good News, t-shirts and painted JW.org toe nails!

by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

there are approved methods of preaching the good news about jw.org in style!.

caleb and his single mammy, tired of your child losing notes to his teacher, pin that note with a friendly, lively jw.org caleb and mommy button for a small fee!

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/356206651751072594/ with our rich hertigage of mixing organization with the skills of a saleman you knew this was bound to happen.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

I'm still waiting for tattoos.

A "JW.Org" tramp stamp would be priceless.

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

Russell WAS speculating, but out of a sincerity, perhaps.

Using words like "Scriptural proof", "god's dates" and "definitely" veers WAY out speculating territory.

Besides, WT has never cut anyone else a break for being wrong but sincere. In WT's view, sincerity is not an excuse. Even if CT Russell was speculating (he wasn't), WT continued the great tradition after Russell's death, and it's hardline stance nullifies any attempt it may make to excuse itself.

Historically, WT claims it was a sincere speculator only AFTER it fails yet again (1914;1925;1975); when teachings are current WT is always speaking directly for god and challenges within the ranks are squashed immediately. Genuine speculators don't squash dissent.

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Teaching Anthony Morris III names of common things.

by LogCon in

"...what it is is this spanx, this skin-tight stuff they wear.

now, are you sisters wearing this in the ministry?

i can't say that i've ever seen that.

AndDontCallMeShirley

What do you expect from a wiener who talks about "human hotdogs"?