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  What do Jehovah's Witnesses look like to Non-Cult members

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  I'm glad I wasn't drinking milk when I saw that last pic, W-F... I know it'd be coming out of my nose right now.
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  Everlasting Life on Paradise Earth - My musings of why it cannot be true

  by leaving_quietly in

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  actually, just one musing.. there are a number of scriptures that wtbts uses to support their doctrine of everlasting life on paradise earth.

  the vast majority come from the hebrew scriptures.

  using just one verse, i believe i can disprove this doctrine quite soundly.. the verse is john 6:68.. simon peter answered him: lord, whom shall we go away to?

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  No where in the Bible will anyone ever find the term, "paradise earth".

   

  Ps. 37:10, 11, one of WT's favorite "paradise earth" scriptures was actually referring to the restoration of the Jews to their homeland. Where WT has interjected "earth" the original, correct word, is "land". 
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  Ever tried "Dry January"? Join Ms. OM & me for a 30 day liver vacation!

  by Open mind in

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  there are a few things i picked up from watchtowerism that i still find value in.

  (although, i could have easily picked them up elsewhere.).

  one of these is the 30-day test to abstain from all booze.. .

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  Unfortunately, JWs must drink in order to remain JWs. LOL.

  Seriously, though, I do not really drink much, certainly not everyday, and not more than one or two when I do drink, but occasionally I intentionally refrain for two or more weeks. The biggest improvement I see is sleep gets way better, and daily high/low energy swings become more level. 

  A three day juice fast also accomplishes as much, or more, than a 30-day respite, but the 30-day break is probably more managable for most people.

   

  Thanks for sharing. 
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

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  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  @ Simon: Why wouldn't responsible gun owners want more gun control laws?

  Actually they do:

  For all the claims of politicians that they represent the public, the truth is that they basically don’t. For every "Mr Smith Goes to Washington" type sticking up for the little guy, there are about two hundred others doing their best to trample him into the ground.

  Case in point: at least fifty-four percent of Americans support very strict gun laws, with that number rising to a whopping ninety-one percent (LINK 6) when it comes to common-sense stuff like required background checks. You may recognize this as the same common-sense policy Congress recently shot down in what can only be assumed was an effort to become even more unpopular.

  This support for gun control, by the way, is pretty bipartisan: even with controversial stuff like reinstating the assault weapons ban, roughly half of Republicans are in favor, along with a majority of Democrats and Independents. In other words, people are largely pro-gun control—it’s the politicians who aren’t.

  http://listverse.com/2013/04/21/10-arguments-for-gun-control/
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

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  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  It's the feeling some try to give

  A "feeling" would be wholly your own, would it not? Feelings do not constitute data nor hard/implied arguments attributed to someone else. 

   Ah, the old "unless laws stop 100% of crimes it's not worth bothering" claim.

  I didn't say this, you missed my point completely.

  What I took from your previous comment is you believe that if gun owners are required to have insurance then suddenly problems go away. Granted, perhaps it would make a positive difference somehow, I don't know, but implying it is a panacea to controlling accidents or stupidity is simply wrong. I used the example of auto insurance to illustrate that requiring a person to have insurance does not guarantee they still won't do something stupid while driving, like driving intoxicated. 

   It works for automobiles way better than nothing.

  I completely agree, and if it could be demonstrated as making a positive impact regarding gun safety I'd support it 100%. 

   BTW: Could you consider not using red for quotes - it's a little too intense.

  Sorry. The "quote" function has not been working for me since the new format went online and I thought red was the next best alternative to differentiating a quote from my comments. 
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

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  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  You make some excellent points, Jeff. To add to your comment: Simon, you're point about Canada having lots of guns and far fewer deaths actually proves the point a lot of us are trying to make.  Its not the guns, its the people.

   

   

  In 10 states, more than 8 percent of adults hold concealed carry permits, and all are among the states with the lowest crime rates... We found that the size of the drop [in crime] is directly related to the percentage of the population with permits,"

  ... A 2007 Harvard Study entitled "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?" looks at figures for "intentional deaths" throughout continental Europe and compares them with the United States to show that more gun control does not necessarily lead to lower death rates or violent crime. The study concludes that the "the mantra that more guns mean more deaths and that fewer guns, therefore, mean fewer deaths" is wrong.

  ...  The study then examined instances of intentional deaths by looking at the U.S. and comparing them to Continental Europe. Despite assertions that the United States is the most violent nation in the world by anti-gun groups, the U.S. came in seventh behind Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, and the Ukraine in murders. In suicides, the U.S. ranked 22.  

  The authors of the study concluded that gun opponents should "at the very least [be able] to show a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that impose stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide)." But noted in its intense study, "those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared around the world."

  ... In light of all this information, if government officials truly desire to reduce murder rates and keep the population, especially children, safer, they should encourage gun ownership by responsible, law abiding citizens rather than try to restrict access to firearms. After all, making something illegal doesn't make it go away, but simply drives it into the hands of criminals. Such is the case with drugs in this country currently, and was the case with alcohol during Prohibition.

  Governments throughout history have restricted people's access to weapons for the primary purpose of controlling the population. The most oppressive governments are the ones that prevent the "masses" from arming themselves. This is precisely why the Founding Fathers included the Second Amendment in the U.S. Constitution, preventing the federal government from infringing on the people's natural right to defend themselves

   
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

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  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Isn't it funny how, after any shooting death, gun owners paint themselves as the 'real victims'.

  Where has this been said by anyone in this discussion? Just curious. 

   

   I think mandatory insurance and consequences if your gun is used in a crime. Make gun owners responsible or accountable.

  If "culture" and "society" are the issue, as you claim, how does insurance solve the problem? I hate to point out the elephant in the room, but there ARE consequences for using a gun in a crime: it is the hundreds of laws the USA already has on the books.

  Automobile insurance is mandatory in the USA, yet it doesn't prevent people from driving drunk. Just like ownership of firearms, if a driver abuses their privilege to drive, they go to jail. 

   

  Incidentally, the two articles little_socrates posted links to will not only address your claims but also show how baseless most of the claims made here really are. Something tells me they won't be read, however.
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  The Way, a way of reason that generates a way of Life

  by Traveler in

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  i'm looking for those who have found the path/way of reason.

  i include a few notes to those i have approached so far.

  these past attempts seem too slow.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  I've been investigating the net to find either someone in or out of the Watch Tower organization that has actually found the path of reason that the nation of Israel had lost.

   

  Today it's called Islam. Islam has continued in the "path of reason" the Israelites began by enforcing genocide, misogyny, rape, slavery, religious intolerance, bigotry and devotion to a monstrous deity. If you want to set yourself back about 3,000 years in human progress, just become a Muslim.

  I would describe the Biblical Israel as a lot of things, but reasonable would not be among them. 
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  The Way, a way of reason that generates a way of Life

  by Traveler in

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  i'm looking for those who have found the path/way of reason.

  i include a few notes to those i have approached so far.

  these past attempts seem too slow.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Again, isn’t it interesting that no one can explain what the path is from beginning to end. I can.

  You smart, we stupid. Got it. 

   

  The statement Jehovah's Witnesses is a title. It was coined to separate the 144,000 true Christians from all other pursuits claiming to be Christian. This use of the title has never been change by the organization or governing body. Only through popular misconception does the great crowd use the title.

  "Jehovah's Witnesses" is a name, not a statement. 

  The name was invented by Rutherfraud to distance himself from the abysmal failures of his predecessor, CT Russell, and the equally as abysmal failures on his own part after he hijacked WT by legal mischief. The "great crowd" do not use the name because of "popular misconception", they use it because they have no other choice. That is the way dictatorships masquerading as religion works.

   

  Evidently you're not up on Witness present truth, and this is understandable since it is confusing

  "evidently"

  "present truth"

  For all of your alleged understanding it is interesting that you are a throwback to ancient WT-isms. CT Russell used the term "present truth" because he didn't have enough elementary Bible knowledge to understand that term is a mistranslation, which he plagiarized from the just-as-clueless Adventists. 

  "evidently" is a euphemism for it's not evident at all but you're going to fling some bovine residue and see what sticks.  

  "present truth" means what you believe today will not be true tomorrow (in case you haven't figured it out, that makes it a lie today). 

   

   

  Remember only 8 out of millions survived the flood & only a remnant have ever made it.

  Yes, we know. We here on JWN call this little experiment for what it actually is: an unequivocal, massive failure. 

  We've moved on. 
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  What do Jehovah's Witnesses look like to Non-Cult members

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  What Jehovah's Witnesses look like to cult members:

   

   

  What Jehovah's Witnesses look like to non-cult members: