Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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NEW LIGHT ALERT! TARGET 2015 END TIMES! EVE WAS CREATED 40 YEARS AFTER ADAM! THE END IS NEAR!

by Trailer Park Pioneer in

this is going around the kingdom halls now, i thought it was a hoax but are not all the end time dates produced by the organization some hoax or con?

the reason why the end did not come in 1975 was the watchtower society had not put eve's creation in their equation.

i was told when we had a "meet and greet" if "we knew the date of eve's creation we would know the year jehovah was going to destroy the earth.. it's been 40 years since 1975, can you believe it's been 40 years since "stay alive till 1975!"?

AndDontCallMeShirley

Vidiot: Yeah; say what you will, but the guy never did anything half-assed.

He seemed to have no problem diving headfirst into an unfamiliar creek... despite the fact it obviously had no water in it.

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new member- my story

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

"that which can be asserted without evidence, can.

be dismissed without evidence.

" - christopher hitchens.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Thanks everyone for your comments and for occasionally resurrecting my story on this thread. I'm glad my story resonates with members here and hopefully it has, or will, help those struggling with their lives in regard to WT.

I appreciate all of you very much...

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Still pointing your Finger when having a Rafter in your eye?

by DocHouse in

yes- everyone has faults and makes mistakes; an organization even more so.. yet, you ignore all the fingers pointing at you.. many here have no faith.

many here go to churches who lie about everything biblical; look at x-mas!.

but at least we know god and christ and try to live up to their name!.

AndDontCallMeShirley

@ DorkHouse: The Truth stands on its own- but a lot of absurd opinion is still being ADDED to it...you are corrtect on the baloney the WTBS has ADDED to the good news. Yet Churchianity doesn't even KNOW about the good news.

So, in you opinion, what WT teaches is "absurd" and "baloney", yet it's still truth??? Please correlate those two diametrically opposed concepts...

@DorkHouse: 1914 IS pinpointed in Daniel's prophecies.

Read every Bible you can get a hold of... not one will mention the date 1914. It is a fictional date arrived at by dishonest mental gymnastics and pure fantasy.

Just curious: why do you accept the 1914 date WT teaches? Isn't this the same organization that is, by your own admission, full of baloney and absurdities??

As far as your argument that WT/JWs preach the good news and all other Christians are clueless, I beg to differ. This video absolutely obliterates your claim on both accounts. Watch what happens at 3:45 in the video (watch the entire thing to put it in context):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OeLt_884iA&feature=player_detailpage

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Poster country flags and privacy

by Simon in

the new forum originally had a little country flag next to each post showing the country that the post was made from based on the geoip encoding (the country the ip address is from).

before i switched over to the new site someone made an issue about it violating their privacy and i didn't want to complicate and confuse the switchover with policy debate at the same time as technical issues so removed the flags even though i disagreed.. someone has already requested it as a feature and i think it should be added back so i thought it's now time to open the discussion and get everyone's opinions.

first, the reason i think it should be shown:.

AndDontCallMeShirley

@ bohm: Kate, seeing you have read my 5800 posts and determined i have provided no revealing details, perhaps you could just read everyones posts and determine for us all if this was a problem?

I've already done it. It took me about two hours to do it but it got done.

Everyone's good to go, no dangerous information revealed from anyone.

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NEW LIGHT ALERT! TARGET 2015 END TIMES! EVE WAS CREATED 40 YEARS AFTER ADAM! THE END IS NEAR!

by Trailer Park Pioneer in

this is going around the kingdom halls now, i thought it was a hoax but are not all the end time dates produced by the organization some hoax or con?

the reason why the end did not come in 1975 was the watchtower society had not put eve's creation in their equation.

i was told when we had a "meet and greet" if "we knew the date of eve's creation we would know the year jehovah was going to destroy the earth.. it's been 40 years since 1975, can you believe it's been 40 years since "stay alive till 1975!"?

AndDontCallMeShirley

... the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975

P.S. I forgot to add:

The Fredster had this nailed down even more specifically to September the 5th at sundown, 1975.

I guess Freddie firmly believed in being super-duper wrong rather than laughably wrong.

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NEW LIGHT ALERT! TARGET 2015 END TIMES! EVE WAS CREATED 40 YEARS AFTER ADAM! THE END IS NEAR!

by Trailer Park Pioneer in

this is going around the kingdom halls now, i thought it was a hoax but are not all the end time dates produced by the organization some hoax or con?

the reason why the end did not come in 1975 was the watchtower society had not put eve's creation in their equation.

i was told when we had a "meet and greet" if "we knew the date of eve's creation we would know the year jehovah was going to destroy the earth.. it's been 40 years since 1975, can you believe it's been 40 years since "stay alive till 1975!"?

AndDontCallMeShirley

From the most reliable investigations of Bible chronology, (...) we find that Adam was created in the autumn of the year 4026 B.C.E. Sometime in that same year Eve could well have been created, directly after which God's rest day commenced. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975. (Awake! October 8, 1966, p. 19)

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CT Russell used exactly the same reasoning to conclude that the sixth milennium from Adam's creation ended in... wait. for. it....1872:

"In this chapter we present the Bible evidence which indicates that six thousand years from the creation of Adam were complete with A.D. 1872; and hence that, since A.D. 1872 are chronologically entered upon the seventh thousand or the Millennium." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 33, 1889)

No wait, er... 1874:

"Here we furnish the evidence that from the creation of Adam to (but not including) A.D. 1873 was six thousand years. (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 39. 1889)

Yes, DEFINITELY 1874.

Enter: Fred Franz-

"According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E Six thousand years of man's existence on earth will soon be up, yea within this generation. The rein of Christ...to run parallel with the 7th millennium ..." (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 1966, p. 29-30)

Stupid is as stupid does.

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Poster country flags and privacy

by Simon in

the new forum originally had a little country flag next to each post showing the country that the post was made from based on the geoip encoding (the country the ip address is from).

before i switched over to the new site someone made an issue about it violating their privacy and i didn't want to complicate and confuse the switchover with policy debate at the same time as technical issues so removed the flags even though i disagreed.. someone has already requested it as a feature and i think it should be added back so i thought it's now time to open the discussion and get everyone's opinions.

first, the reason i think it should be shown:.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Vid: I've mentioned I'm Canadian dozens of times; even mentioned that I'm in Alberta.

Ah Ha!!! Now I know exactly who you are ! The jig is up, my friend.

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Still pointing your Finger when having a Rafter in your eye?

by DocHouse in

yes- everyone has faults and makes mistakes; an organization even more so.. yet, you ignore all the fingers pointing at you.. many here have no faith.

many here go to churches who lie about everything biblical; look at x-mas!.

but at least we know god and christ and try to live up to their name!.

AndDontCallMeShirley

@ DorkHouse: The Trinity Travesty has been exposed, and because of our preaching and teaching, 'Hellfire' has been, too- and is taught in less and less churches.

Can a religion REALLY be considered true when it rejects the Trinity while it simultaneously harbors pedophiles? Sorry, the 'we are right because we don't believe doctrine "X" ', excuse doesn't wash !

If you say yes, it does, then I argue that the very religions you are condemning have equal claim to being right just like WT, because they can use the same excuse: 'Sure, we may be wrong for believing in the Trinity, but we don't harbor pedophiles... so god still likes us".

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Still pointing your Finger when having a Rafter in your eye?

by DocHouse in

yes- everyone has faults and makes mistakes; an organization even more so.. yet, you ignore all the fingers pointing at you.. many here have no faith.

many here go to churches who lie about everything biblical; look at x-mas!.

but at least we know god and christ and try to live up to their name!.

AndDontCallMeShirley

@ DorkHouse: I have seen evidence that Christ HELPS us.

Please list all the "evidence" you have that Jesus helps you/the WT (not sure what "us" is referring to).

@ DorkHouse: The Trinity Travesty has been exposed, and because of our preaching and teaching, 'Hellfire' has been, too- and is taught in less and less churches.

WT is not the only religion that does not believe in the Trinity or Hellfire. In fact, many religions prior to WT didn't accept these teachings.

You being a JW, I'm reasonably confident in saying you probably have never read the Proclaimers book, nor do you have any clue whatsoever as to your religion's history. It is true that CT Russell and early WT did not believe in the Trinity or Hell. But guess what? For the first 60 years or so of the existence of "god's organization", WT: celebrated Christmas; celebrated birthdays; believed in the divinity of Christ, promoted numerous false prophecies, etc, etc.

Why not actually read your Proclaimers book. You'll quickly discover CTR and WT did what all the other religions you are condemning here did: he simply took a pick-and-choose approach to what his beliefs would be from the buffet of Christianity. Russell settled on what felt good to him personally, not on what was necessarily true or accurate.

@ DorkHouse: We have made God's Name known again- when Churchianity & Judaism almost wiped it out.

You've condemned all other Christian religions. But guess what? The name "Jehovah" is a grammatically impossible invention of 13th century Catholicism. "Jehovah" never was god's name; in fact, no one knows what god's name really is, as it has been lost forever. Some popular guesses have been adopted as acceptable, but the fact remains no one knows- not you, not WT.

Judaism and "Churchianity" did not "wipe out" god's name as you claim. The name disappeared due to disuse being that no first century Biblical writer thought it important enough to actually write down and preserve At least religions other than WT were honest enough to admit they don't really know what god's name is (because god didn't see fit to preserve it) and they weren't willing to settle on a fiction as a 'make due' solution.

@ DorkHouse: Jesus foretold that in the end times the good news of the KINGDOM would be preached to the world.

You mean the same Kingdom WT proclaimed as having been established in 1878??? Then when it failed they changed it to 1914??

I hate to break it to you, DH, but WT is not preaching the Kingdom of the Bible. They are preaching the marketable corporate kingdom version of WT, nothing more.

Incidentally, if you look at WT's own figures you'll easily determine barely half the world has ever been preached to by JWs, and of the half that has heard WT's message hardly anyone really knows what WT's message is. It's alleged "greatest preaching effort" ever made is a dismal failure. Evangelicals have done a far more effective job of spreading the message than JWs will ever hope to do. Not a great record for 134 years of effort.

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2014 increase in Memorial Partakers to 14,121

by jwfacts in

i have updated the article at memorial partakers with the figures released for 2014. no surprises here, it has risen yet again, this time by 6% over last year, and is now 14,121.. .

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AndDontCallMeShirley

@ JWLeaks: And they have the audacity to call former members "mentally diseased".

In reality, I believe the GB's opinion is every JW is mentally diseased... except the grand 7 who sit in their ivory tower. It's not limited only to those who've left.

The GB just haven't had the chutzpah to come right out and say it directly... yet.