HEATHEN, You have summarized my own suspicions percisely! I am rather a cynic on most matters like this only due to my own personal lack of experiecne-similar longings as ENISHI expressed, which to date have gone unrevealed for me as well! As an outsider my opinion is just that, mine! Ask one who claims psychic abilities now (See the Danion Brinkley story or website-MOST DISTRESSING to a (my) questioning view!) and as adamantly as I say "hogwash!" will go to their grave (or maybe not! LOL! Brinkley "came back" 3 times! some feline in his blood maybe!?) holding firm that their belief in the experience was literal/reality. PANDA-What was your major at 41?! Aren't we AWESOME! I am doing this with 4 (BIG/13-25 y/o's) kids at home, endless detours (2 kids had 3 ER incidents within 30 days-serious upper resp. infection, concussion, head-on collision etc-ick, my partner is suffering a tremendous crisis/depression/breakdown and is self-destructive/suicidal right now) but I keep pluggin' along! I started college for the first time in 1999, right after the death of my 18 y/o son Paul-due to a motorcycle accident-as a promise and obligation to him that I go. In 2 yrs I graduated on the Dean's list "with distinction", won a scholarship towards the NYS Paralegal Certificate achieved at the end of the following semester at a private college in 2001. After all was done my advisor cursed my life by revealing the "few" credits needed to achieve a Bachelor's Degree which will come in May! LOL! What a big accomplishment we all achieve, and CAN achieve, as exjw's, especially those of us raised in the 60's believing that armageddon was imminent and prevented from academic education by our parents. My father signed me out of high school ONE MONTH BEFORE THE END OF MY JUNIOR YEAR so that I could full time pioneer! HORRORS! Lots of waitress/bartending jobs here in my resume-none of which I want for my own kids (2 oldest so far have great careers in areas the love; big EXHALE here!). My big desire now at this point in my life is to avail myself to those thinking they "can't" do this ("I can't go because I have no child care, have conflicting work schedules", and most alarming etc."HE doesn't want me to go to college!" gag) for one reason or another. If we look at our road blocks as just one stone (did I say boulder?) at a time, instead of a whole wall, we can chip away more effectively each reason we believe we must fail-do you agree?
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Did you ever believe that NDE's were DEMONIC?
by DebraDoll inafter re-reading my original post, i realize my true intent and its meaning was clouded by my harsh approach.
my deepest apologies to all!
i would like to try again to reach out to any of you who may have been profoundly moved by such an experience.
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NDE' & OBE's
by DebraDoll inplease accept my request in the spirit it is meant-no unkindness is implied here but i must limit the responses and information as this is a big course project due very soon!
those of you who experienced either (or both!
) phenomenon while you were still an active member of the borg only, please contact me asap, if you are comfortable relating your experience to me.
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Phantom, I kept editing but received a "fatal error" page each time, losing the rewrite! The whole request was reposted. Now, I want to tell you how much I appreciate you caring enough to critique my post. You obviously have a deep sense of what other's are really about and where they are coming from, and I for one thank you and feel privileged that you took the time to reach out to help me as you did.
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Did you ever believe that NDE's were DEMONIC?
by DebraDoll inafter re-reading my original post, i realize my true intent and its meaning was clouded by my harsh approach.
my deepest apologies to all!
i would like to try again to reach out to any of you who may have been profoundly moved by such an experience.
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After re-reading my original post, I realize my true intent and its meaning was clouded by my harsh approach. My deepest apologies to all! I would like to try again to reach out to any of you who may have been profoundly moved by such an experience. (Thank you Phantom-Sincerely!) As a full time student (at 46!) I have chosen as one of the few electives I have left to complete prior to graduation, a Contemporary Spirituality course. Recently we have been discussing Near Death Experiences and Out of Body Experiences. The theories on why either phenomena occur are overwhelming, each claiming "proof" of empirical data. However, as an exjw, I am most intrigued by the vast variety of religious and non-religious mind sets which become suseptible to identical visions. Example; why do some Jews claim to have seen "Christ" along with the atheist for that matter? It seemed only natural that I began investigating whether or not active jw's could have such an experience-thus my post. If any of you did, while active jw's, did you tell anyone about your experience, did it frighten you, or did it free you? Also, does the experience still hold spiritual value to you now?
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NDE' & OBE's
by DebraDoll inplease accept my request in the spirit it is meant-no unkindness is implied here but i must limit the responses and information as this is a big course project due very soon!
those of you who experienced either (or both!
) phenomenon while you were still an active member of the borg only, please contact me asap, if you are comfortable relating your experience to me.
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Phantom, Thank you so much for your input-I had no idea, and honestly had no intention of sounding "commanding" while trying to limit the timeline for those experiences. As I re-read my post now, I clearly see how many might perceive this, and I am so sorry. Perhaps I can edit it now, or should I start a new thread? If the latter is a better idea, do you think anyone will even entertain my post with the ill taste I have left all with?
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NDE' & OBE's
by DebraDoll inplease accept my request in the spirit it is meant-no unkindness is implied here but i must limit the responses and information as this is a big course project due very soon!
those of you who experienced either (or both!
) phenomenon while you were still an active member of the borg only, please contact me asap, if you are comfortable relating your experience to me.
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DebraDoll
Really-nobody????!!!! CONFIDENTIALITY IS GUARANTEED!
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I took photos!!!!!
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Pat Metheny
by hillary_step ini am not sure when the 'apostafest' is happening in florida but if it is over the next few days remember that pat metheny is in town.
do not lose a chance to see pat metheny and lyle mays perform.
i saw them recently and can tell you he is in prime form at the moment.
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Was his neighbor in 1990 in Willow NY near Woodstock (the TOWN not the festival site!) he often plays with Jack DeJohnette, also of Willow-same road, awesome humble dudes!
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Why I LOVE my FREEDOM #567!
by DebraDoll inbecause i can go to an awesome halloween dance hosted at a huge local cave with my big daddy demon-pimp as his ape bitch and have the time of my life!
and.....he lets me stick stuff in his ear!
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What was YOUR favorite Halloween experience? Mine took 18 years to experience after escaping!
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Animal Farm - Chapter 1
by Elsewhere inhttp://www.online-literature.com/orwell/animalfarm/
animal farm.
george orwell, .
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"I even heard from dubs themselves that Bethel accomodations are quite good." Someone told me back in the 70's that it was really just like being in a PRISON WITH CARPETING! LOL!
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Why I LOVE my FREEDOM #567!
by DebraDoll inbecause i can go to an awesome halloween dance hosted at a huge local cave with my big daddy demon-pimp as his ape bitch and have the time of my life!
and.....he lets me stick stuff in his ear!
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Fun!?! That word doesn't even come close! I made up for almost 30 years (escaped in '85) of repression that night! LOL! I want to keep the costume to do singing telegrams and process serving in it-what do you think? (yup-I can sing!)