Posts by *lost*

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conscious of my spiritual need, what next?

by stillhurts in

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so once you leave, what next?

have you found anything from a spiritual standpoint that brings you happiness and satisfaction?.

have you been so scarred by the teaching that "all religions are wrong", that you can't see the truth anywhere?.

lost

Hi I'm in exactly the same place as you are, .... this past few weeks have been explosive, so many revelations in my mind. so many emotions. fear, guilt, fear, guilt, lol, lots of confusion. what's, why's....... and I have been praying and meditating a lot lately. (directly to God) throwing my burden on him.

I haven't touched any publications or my bible for good few weeks before all this happened. but regular prayer.

First ... I have spent many, many hours just browsing around here, reading everything, looking thins up, reading the other sites that link up from here. It's like a trail that you follow.

I think it would help you to look at this from the perspective of - I know I'm not apostate, I know I believe in God etc. I know I am a good person, I know he drew me to him in the forst place, there must be some truth in all of it, It's such a huge thing, God, the Bible, Jesus, man, our history etc, so I will keep praying, asking for help and guidance through this process of enlightenment. It is still a spiritual journey, learning more about God etc.

I have made a wish list on amazon of all the books I will definitely get to read throughout this journey, and some books I may read. ( as I find these book recommendations from other peeps here I add them to the list straightaway )

We are used to studying and researching, we are just doing it through a different avenue, nothing wrong with it, we are told to check everything, as did the Bereans.

The amazing thing about the net is it is all there for you in an instant to find. No wonder org is against it. Knowledge is power.

I found a good site last night which gives answers on Bible etc. A lot of this process is still going to be trying to sift out the bits of truth from the false stuff.

www.gotquestions.org

Hope this helps in some way

Don't panic, relax, just study things as you go and when you find things that get your interest, then follow th trail. I'm getting a new study pad and looking at this as new project/study in same way as I used to before.

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It,s time to fight back, this is getting out of hand.

by jam in

any suggestions to bring a end to the attacks on us who have.

left the borg and continuing efforts to alienate our love one still.

in the borg.. how about this, we all send letters to hq, flood the mail room with.

lost

My thoughts.... the stumbling block here seems to be they HOW. i think it will h ave to be done.

AS AN ORGANISATION. A UNITED FRONT. POWER IN NUMBERS.

I read about that case where WT threw their lot in on a combined effort with other groups to support that Swaggart guy

Also the Candace Conti case and others, etc. are being taken down the legal route.

I think this needs to be the way it is driven forward. By using the law, brings in government, human rights, etc.

I think if you start formalating something along those lines to start with, and refine it and shape it to fit. There must be many out there that have legal, social, political, medical, marketing organisationl, technological experiences whereby everyone can co-ordinate everything into a sole unit, but consolidating all the other facts, info, issues, abuses etc. Like an umbrella organisation.

PROVING FACTS V HEARSAY is done through judicary and law.

There are plenty of survivors, witness evidence, doctrines etc that can be used to prove the allegations against the org.

the point is they will have to make a defence for themselves. it will take time through a process. generate publicity and be kept alive as it plods along to the final conclusion.

Importantly I think the mission should be along the lines, Not apostate, not working against God, working for God and supporting his message and TRUTH for all those who desire it or choose not to want it. No one can say anything against it then. Cos reputation is everything, has to be without spot so to say. Whether those members believe in God or not is irrelevant.

It's an all round human rights civil iberties cause, just like many have gone before in history. European countries are signed up to un charter of human rights. child abuse in all forms, etc. womens groups, lgtbg (did i get that one right, apologies if not)civil leberties freedom.

So like a Law firm representing this worldwide organisation of all these people seeking justice etc. the case being against the org.

strategy.

I hope I have put this forward in the right way.

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A quote that sums up my thoughts on the truth about 'the truth'

by sd-7 in

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"we never make assertions, miss taggart.

that is the moral crime peculiar to our enemies.

we do not tell--we show.

lost

man I feel like i'm in the matrix

it's a bit mental

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I suffer from depression - Should that stop me marrying and having kids?

by usualusername in

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i am so unsure.. .

i am sure that my misery will spread to my potential wife and kids.. .

decisions, decisions... .

lost

stress can be so bad for the illness. every case/treatment is different.

type of therapy, treatment, whether its working, medication etc.

the ROOT cause fo the depression.

such a complicated illness.

BUT ... the right person could work wonders. Nothing stopping you from looking for that person.

Love, can be such a great happy thing.

hope it goes well for you

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When will you NOT go anymore ?

by Phizzy in

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i ask this of all who know ttatt and yet still attend, i am interested, when will you judge it is the right time not to go to meetings anymore ?.

a big part of me wants to say ".

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lost

Good soul .. were you an elder then? what did it for you, what awakened you.

I'm a newbiee and i really appreciate reaading on why this is happening to us.

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"They went out from us, but they were not of our sort..." - worst ever scripture to lead an anti-apostate talk?

by cedars in

the program for the 2013 convention series has been drawn to my attention.

here is a link to it.... http://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=pdf&output=html&pub=co-pgm13&langwritten=e&option=trgchlzrqvnyvrxf&txtcmslang=e.

there is a saturday morning symposium on "apostates.

lost

Thanks for sharing ..... i am learning much as a newbiee thanks to your honesty and openness and views and opinions. Which are non-hateful or spiteful.

WHY are they so afraid ???? I am realising how scary and serious the situation is for those that are concreted in to the organisation with family etc.

Its MEDIEVAL. without the burning at the stake, Romans and lions etc.

APOSTATE ???? is a hater and worker against God, Jesus, the truth. Not someone who seeks truth and doesn't fully trust in men.

JUST as Jesus warned.

People shouldn't be afraid. If it is Jehovah's faithful and discreet slave class, like the origional apostles, well, there is nothing to worry about/fear.

IF it is the work of Satan the devil, then there is much to fear.... from God himself.

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JWs Lack of Love and Feelings

by jemba in

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i have noticed the extreme lack of love in this group of people who preach love, love, love.. we recently had serious floods come through our area and the jws couldnt have cared less.

our 'worldly' friends did sooo much for us though.

raising money, giving gifts, cards, accomodation and so much support and hard work.. i personally think jws are one of the most insensitive, uncaring religions around.. three religious groups were absolutely wonderful during the flooding of our area.

lost

red pillar ....

totally agree. and I totally understand what your talking about. I still believe. My story is in the private section. I'm on the fringes, been in and out since late 80's.

Was never totally in in a big way indoctrinated like everyone else but did get dunked, as they say, lol.

Breaking down the barrier is not abbout telling them, but showing them, by actions, as they say faith without works etc.

the thing is, i believe, mentally its not the org, or the men, or however many things you can say and prove about it and whats wrong with it, its the mental tie to God. Spiritually, that's the FREAK OUT moment. argh .... i can't go against God etc. i think, what you say ?

i'm so relieved I have found somewhere where these things can be discussed.

I KNOW myself you can't talk about it 'in' the truth. BARRIERS. FEAR. etc.

I see now how hard it is for all out there and the situations they are tangled up in with family, thoughts, etc.

just found out what ORWELLIAN means. lol

lost

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JWs Lack of Love and Feelings

by jemba in

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i have noticed the extreme lack of love in this group of people who preach love, love, love.. we recently had serious floods come through our area and the jws couldnt have cared less.

our 'worldly' friends did sooo much for us though.

raising money, giving gifts, cards, accomodation and so much support and hard work.. i personally think jws are one of the most insensitive, uncaring religions around.. three religious groups were absolutely wonderful during the flooding of our area.

lost

Red Pillar ... good comment.

There are good and bad people ... unfortunately the good are being taken down now with the bad.

The where else will we go. .... Spiritually - where else will we go? To associate with other's with the (mostly) same beliefs. The TRUTH. you know. The model Jesus taught of what it is supposed to be. DOES IT EXIST anywhere?

His teachings were very clear on what sort of people we should be, our conduct and heart, etc. Gathering together, etc.

I have been finding myself comparing the signs of the last days, what people would be like etc - to the actual organisation. Based on the things I have been learning. Other peoples experiences etc. the stories that are coming out.

Is it, as an organisation, any different really to the christendom that they condemn. Only that they 'teach' bible truth and use Jehovah's name.

It can all be pretty headwrecking and confusing when you start thinking about it all.

It's so painful for people to realise and have these thoughts. And then have to try to deal with them, especially if they believe.

So many people in so much pain with their famiilies, wrecked lives, everything. All done in the name of god cos they have THE TRUTH, they are God's only true organisation. They are the only ones preaching the message world wide to every nation etc etc ... just llike it says in the Bible.

no wonder people are struggling anad don't know what to believe anymore.

I'm totally in the confused state as well right now. It's a process I know . but it is so scary.

not because there is no where to go in the world, it's not so bad, there are good people, many of them, and there are bad.

But spiritually.

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Another New Member

by lriddle80 in

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i have been out of the "truth" for about 13 years, but 9 of those years i was someone who was out but thinking i would probably go back at some point...out but not all the way out mentally.

my family are still active members and i am a little bit shunned, not invited to family get togethers, that sort of thing.

i was one of those people that left and then did drugs and partied for a while.

lost

Hi I'm new too. Been lurking for a few weeks.

What puzzles me is, does anyone else who is now awake still believe in God, Jesus and the Bible's messsage, cos I do. I don't want to lose that. The spirituality side of things. I'm very conflicted about it. Cos where else can we go ?

I'm interested in what you said about Baptist church. I have heard they do actually study the Bible etc similar to witnesses.

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Escape from the Watchtower Part I on my blog

by JeffT in

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http://pathologicallyintellectual.blogspot.com/.

lost

Very good. I'm loving reading other peoples experiences they are sharing here. I'm a neewbiee.