Posts by *lost*

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

lost

fizzywiglet bang on. I totally get what your saying.

I too cannot understand that the moment they realised there was a ''massive'' problem, why did they not immediately shut down the page/remove it as a safety precaution until they found out what/who went wrong. The old sating PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE. Business owners also know the model as they have had to learn a valuable lesson at some stage, because they all muck up and get stung somewhere along the line.

Experienced / seasoned workers in the field know these things. From experience, which is why they are likened to 'master workers'.

This whole debacle has come to mean to me, that now I am looking at all this with my 'business glasses' on. And I for one as a result do not now like the things I am hearing and seeing. It is making me very un-easy. As it is reminding me of how public sector is run, and all the shenanigans, looking after their own. No openness, no honesty, no standing up and taking accountability. IT'S ABOUT TRUST. It's all about trust.

And one thing I do know for a fact THERE IS NO TRUST IN BUSINESS.

Victims / People ARE NOT A BUSINESS.

I think if you want to go after WT and go to battle one powerful force against the other. Then you follow that model and go about it in certain way.

People should never be counted as collateral damage.

(not directed at anyone or the group, just my thoughts that are niggling me)

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What do you believe about the bible?

by bethelyellowdollarbag in

i'm interested in how we all view the bible?.

let me start by offering three different options:.

a.. a book that at best may have cultural or historical interest but that is it.. b.. a divinely inspired guide that i consult to make important life choices.

lost

W my F

D Servant.

Lol ... I know. I been thinking about it this past while when I left. I haven't the knowledge you have yet, I am only just beginning my education. lol. It will take years. But, whatever happens, I intend to do it in a way that it ''all sits happy in my head''. I am getting there, albeit slowly.

Although at this moment I am choosing to learn and discover all of these things. i am also choosing to still hold to my basic beliefs that there is a God / creator, and I do quite like the Bible as a book, as a story. I believed even before I was jw you see. Since I was a little child, but we weren't a religious family. now I am interested in learning more about it all, the whole picture.

That could all change, I don't know. At the end of the day do we truly know anything about it? do we have any answers ? can we say for a fact one way or the other ?

It's just a journey isn't it, life. Now we know how to enjoy it and appreciate all of the wonderful things along the way. We are free. It's great.

There are so many things that interest me now, books to read, research, info, learning. It's great. I love it. i do try to keep my positive glasses on, and for the most I do focus on the positives about God, the Bible, Jesus. the 'good christian' things. Not the twisted knotty mess it has become.

thanks

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What is the role of the rest of the Anointed,please ?

by Phizzy in

i am a little confused, i have to admit it is laziness/nausea, i cannot make myself read the latest rag that spews out the new shite, but my question is, what is the future role of the rest of the anointed ?.

if the fds, which now consists of a handful of men, is going to be "appointed over all jesus' belongings" are the rest of the anointed not only redundant now, but into eternity too ?.

lost

The rest of the anointed are gonna just be doing the same thing they always was - NOTHING. It's a joke.

WT make no secret of the fact they don't even know who or where the anointed ones are around the world. WT wants absolute power and authority over the BUSINESS. Dictatorial wt.

The ' true anointed ones' are now lost to us and are not giving us the 'proper spiritual food' we need at this 'the proper time'.

It's one of the points that alsways really bugged my brain. Now I know why. I know TTATT.

thank you all for making it happen.

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IT IS NOT A CULT!!

by Butterflyleia85 in

jw
friends

it is not a cult!!!

if you weren't mesmerized by the internet since ya know it never lies!

read the bible how do they go against it.

lost

At first I though WTF!!!! err then why are you here ? lol.... then I got to the bottom.

It is interesting you say that she IS NOT baptised, yes?

that explains a lot. you see she is not fully in, inside the inner workings, she is only flitting round the edges, where's all warm and fuzzy in the sun. She hasn't felt the darkness inside that so many others have felt. She does'nt have the knowledge, We do cos we are out. but we can compare it to when we were 'IN' and then when we were 'OUT'

We have something to measure it by. She only has the disney movie. She is ingnorant. I was the very same. But now I KNOW TTATT. I can see it all. Warts and all.

I have a dear elder couple who are also good friends, they are wonderful people. True christians (whatever that is these days..lol) and i love them. I have memories with them. It hurts me to see them, knowing what I know and I just want to make them see through it, to wake up and realise TTAATT. But I also KNOW why they are so cpommitted, as they believe the message, they believe in God, Jesus, the Bible. they just don't know it's the organisation that's wrong.

Then it's really hard to talk to anyone else about cos unless they have the knowledge you mat as well be talking alien speak, they prob think your a bit nuts. Then family and people think your a bit nuts if you are in. It's like being in a storm.

I'm finding it so hard just to be able to get it across to my non-jw partner in a way that he understands. cos like your friend he doesn't have the knowledge of it. not a clue to the realities and truths. the horror stories.

He can't understand why I am leaving the 'cult' cos he only see's good christian religion. I have the hard work of trying to get it into him it's not a good christian religion, it's fake, it's a cult, the organisation is rotten.

Yes she is frightened. I was frightened when I found out TTATT.

I was frightened when I first came on here and took a peak.

I was frightened when I registered.

I was firghtened when I first posted / commented.

I was frightened when I was on here at home in my own house ( where I am supposed to feel safe)

I was frightened of what to say and how to say it to my partner ( God love him, he's brilliant, we have been through so much )

I was frightened my children would catch me on here, or see something, or read something, because I haven't told them yet. And don't know where to even begin with them. And they are not even jw kids, but know I am (technically) one.

I'm frightened my old jw elder cuple will find out.

I'm even still frightened of their warped controlling teachings, that I am now a goat and God hates me. lol. yep. I know it's not true.

But our minds have been so thoroughly conditioned to it it's hard not to.

It's now a 'malady' a 'sickness/illness' 'disease'. We have to treat it and watch for recuperation. adjusting the medicine/treatment along the way. as we figure it all out.

I think with your friend, you should say NOTHING at all whatsover, unless she comes to you. then let her talk, son't say anything that can come back to bite you. make sure you have enough info on her that you have a bit of power to control her with if it goes pear-shaped. you canot trust anyone. Not even family.

i hope she learns. good luck

lost

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What do you believe about the bible?

by bethelyellowdollarbag in

i'm interested in how we all view the bible?.

let me start by offering three different options:.

a.. a book that at best may have cultural or historical interest but that is it.. b.. a divinely inspired guide that i consult to make important life choices.

lost

Abe

Crazy Guy

Life molds and educates us.

History teaches us.

Those who don't have any faith or belief in The Bible, God, Jesus are exercising their own free will. To do as they choose and live theirs lives as they see fit. They want independence.

As are every other group of every shape and form in all areas of society. Doesn't make them right.

Everybody blames God. Why.

Why don't you all blame yourselves, you got yourself into your own mess. You/we were all fooled by trickery, well it happens in the world people. Doesn't mean it's Gods fault. It is man's own fault.

The history and nature of society is that we are always controlled by someone else.

Whoever has the most wealth, most physical power, most warriors, most weapons, biggest army. Whoever is the stongest ans can over power others into submission rules.

That has been the way of man throughout history.

You all say 'IF' 'IF' if there was really a God - how do you know that there isn't ? and the book is a guide, it may not even be a complete book. There could be masses of info missing that we don't know about.

IF there is God, then there Must be the Devil also.

whether you to choose to believe something, anything, is personal choice. You have free will. I hate it when others knock people for having beliefs.

WT is a cult yes, it has come so far now and has 'History' that it has proved what it really is, and the people have also proved who they are. FACT.

But it is one of many, jw's are not experiencing anything special that no-one else has suffered before them.

Perhaps if we had been fortunate to have had better educations growing up and were taught/leant more about it all, then we wouldn't of been tricked. Now we have lerant the hard way, we have learnt to be on the watch now cos we have been burned. Cautious.

No body dragged us off to a camp. We followed willingly. We have no one to blame but ourselves. we wouldn't of listened to anyone who told us otherwise back then, just like now the jw who are trapped won't listen to anyone now. We can only watch how it all unfolds and see what happens.

WT won't fall. It won't be destroyed by men. Just like all the other religions in the world are still around. they have nothing to do with belief in God, or truth or the Bible or religion. They are corporations, country clubs, communities for the elite to do business with each other and live a good life.

They are parasites in my opinion.

But I don't blame God, if he does exist. I take the good from it just like I would any other book I read.

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The music that moves you....

by FlyingHighNow in

once when i was profoundly sad for too many days, my brother in law sent us a mix tape.

he named each song after a person in our family.

this is the one he named heather.

lost

FLEETWOOD MAC - tango in the night

Cranberries - zombie

Franki Goes to Hollywood - the poer of love

Classical - oh Fortuna (excalibur music)

Vivaldi - four seasons

Oh and BLACK BEAUTY SOUNDTRACK back in the 70's the original music.

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The Annoyed Id

by Terry in

relax and see if this makes sense....... .

id /id/nounthe part of the mind in which innate instinctive impulses exist.annoy /?

'noi-/verbcause irritation or bother: "annoying habits".

lost

Terry - excellent

lost

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RC Church - Originated when ? Spiritually Strong Ones please.

by *lost* in

been doing a bit of research trying to tie in together a few different strands.. not too sure what happened to christianity and how organised religion took hold again after the apostles died off.. i know jerusalem was sacked 70 ce.

but lots to fill in from that point onwards to bring us to where we are today.. if a few peeps could help to condense and simplify the info down into a few bite size pieces it would give us a starting point to begin to re-educate ourselves to the truth.

and fill in the blanks.

lost

Pterist .. thanks. I FOR ONE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ''F'' WORD.

Neither do I have a problem with anyother kinds of words/language people use unless they are along the lines of racist and clearly derogative. Those kinds of people, I CHOOSE to have little to do with. I CHOOSE not to be affected by their mentality. I CHOOSE to follow my own path. I CHOOSE not to blame others. I CHOOSE to live my own life. I CHOOSE to enrich it with the things I like. I CHOOSE to search for truth 'whatever that means these days'

Truth, honesty, integrity, moral fibre etc... whatever names you want to use to describe it. Well they are all pretty much thin on the ground in the world.

Some of us were born into 'THE REAL WORLD' AND HAVE HAD TO GROW UP IN THE REAL WORLD, and have had to deal with all the challenges that come with 'LIVING' IN THE REAL WORLD.

Should I not use the word 'WORLD' in case some ex-jw gets offended as they use the word to signify something else, to enforce their mind control over people.

We 'FROM THE WORLD - AND LIVING IN THE WORLD - some of us use this terminology all the time. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.

It does however have everything TO DO WITH CONTROL. it's all about control.

And nobody is going to control me, my mind, my life, my kids. Some people in this world are still connected to 'THEIR ROOTS' their histroy, their tribal origins, their ancestors., who have lived through and dealt with some pretty nasty things. Their survival. It's not a disney movie.

SOME PEOPLE STILL KNOW WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS TO 'FIGHT FOR FREEDOM' and are not afraid to go to battle.

The saying is '' take your position on the front line'' man up, put up or shut the F**k up and go away. ( not intended to anyone here personally, it is just a cultural saying/statement.

Some people in this world are actually faced with life and death situations, life on the line.

Not everyone has spent their entire lives trapped in an alternative reality, where all they ever did was read one set of literature, knock on doors and only associate with their 'chosen class'.

Jws don't have the world monopoly on abuse, pain and suffering. it's a big world out there.

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RC Church - Originated when ? Spiritually Strong Ones please.

by *lost* in

been doing a bit of research trying to tie in together a few different strands.. not too sure what happened to christianity and how organised religion took hold again after the apostles died off.. i know jerusalem was sacked 70 ce.

but lots to fill in from that point onwards to bring us to where we are today.. if a few peeps could help to condense and simplify the info down into a few bite size pieces it would give us a starting point to begin to re-educate ourselves to the truth.

and fill in the blanks.

lost

jgnat very nice .. thanks.

I really appreciate 'foreign' cultures. to be fair I think Anglo-American Westerners have no culture. Nothing to equate with the ancients. The core beliefs and attitudes are the same. The ''true works''. Whatever religious demonination isn't relevant. What is relevant is the individual person and their works.

WT /jws specificaly are the shame of the human race. When do they ever do any ''good works'' humanitarian works. what do any of them do for other people ? on the whole. Yes there are some good individuals who are to be praised. Just like every other religion/type.

I see muslims who aren't 'proper' they don't live the proper life.

People are too focused on words and labels and not the meaning.

White western men were labelled the 'devils' and hated the world over for the things they inflicted in their dominion of other races. History is fact.

The ancient cultures are fascinating.

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'1600 years of Ice melting in 25 years is a bad omen'

by designs in

glaciologists from ohio state university have been studying the ice fields in peru.

tropical peru is home to ice formations 18,000 feet up in the quelccaya region, the largest of these tropical region ice sheets.. the glacier is melting so quickly that plant samples are having to be frozen artifically so that scientists 30 years from now can have something to study, lonnie thompson from the university said in the interview.

the ice field is the smallest it has been since the last ice age.. peruvians rely on the water from the glaciers, which will be reduced by 50% in their lifetime.

lost

Designs it's all about water now. it's the 'new gold'. just look at the new Arab states. Dubai, the amount of energy they use to sustain their luxurious lives.

Every year there is panic about water in urban areas. Housepipe bans, drought, panic.

We can't live without water, lol.