Posts by *lost*

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I am confused by the "reserrection" doctrine. Who will be raised first Old testament people or people who die right before Armaggeddon?

by booker-t in

i have always wondered who will be raised first people such as noah, job, enoch, etc; or people who die right before armaggeddon?

if noah, job, are raised first would not they be terrified with all of the modern inventions they will see such as cars, airplanes, clothes, watches, tvs, radios, and all of the modern technologies.

also, if people lived to 900 years back then would not methusalan be shocked if a person raised tells him they were only 20 years old when they died?

lost

How do we not know that the favoured ones, prophets and patriachs, martyrs, are not of the anointed chosen ones who will be resurrected directly as co-rulers with Jesus in heaven ?

Is it not possible ?

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I have just been disinvited to my brother's wedding - Thanks AAWA!

by Sic Semper Tyrannis in

i am an inactive jw.

i havent been on this forum for a few months and have been lurking in others.

i have met a few people in real life and online, both on this forum and on others.

lost

Simon

more than a few issues, I just seen and replied to the other posts by marvin on the other one.

people really do need to grow some and man up.

think they can say what they want to people.

do what they want.

then walk away happy and leave everyone else to pick up the pieces.

yeah right

just like their old masters over at WT

MUPPETS

totally spoiled my day.

Ty your nowt but a weasel and a stirrer. you never have anything worthwhile or intelligent to say.

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Constructive feedback for AAWA leadership (IMHO)

by besty in

1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.

2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.

3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.

You come wading in here after the event, totally ignore any valid points people have made, insulting Simon and everyone else on this forum and worse, talking down to people like your some big shot man spending thousands to help out your buddies in business.

WHAT, YOU WANT AN AWARD OR SOMETHING. you are your buddies are pissed off cos it monumentally backfired and blew up in their faces. they grandstanded and fell flat, acting like totally amatuers who haven't got a F**ks notion what they are at.

A volunteer that totally wrecked peoples lives and is then protected. It if wasn't so bloody tragic it would be hilarious. Yeah, if everyone is laughing, it's AAWA's fault and their 'oh my God, so important special people, better than everyone else '

JOKE, that's right, JOKE. A slur on decent people and victims of abuse. You all may think your amazing experts, maybe they all got a little bit too big for their boots and got knocked down a peg or two.

It's a great leveller to be so publicly humiliated. Teaches people HUMILITY, that they aren't no better than anyone else no matter what they think their social standing is. that's what tribulation is and long-suffering,fruitage of the spirit ! I guess a lot of them good old JW's missed all the important stuff when they were training to shaft people and destroy their lives with their lies and deceit. Christians my arse.

And then when some of us are making a real effort here, to try to start to fix things and build bridges with MRS Cedars and Cedars himself - BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO - TO FORGIVE, HELP, WORK TOGETHER, BECAUSE YEAH, ACTUALLY WE DO CARE ABOUT THEM.

People were hurt, people were angry RIGHTLY SO. they vented, had their moan, which they have every right to do. Then you ponce in here and INSULT US ALL and go and F**k it all up.

WELL DONE. pat yourself on the back and smoke a big ol expensive cigar.

PEOPLE WANT TO GO AROUND SLINGING SHIT AT FOLKS, THEN THEY SHOULD EXPECT IT TO COME BACK AND HIT THEM IN THE FACE.

AAWA and all it board and that stupid, ignorant cruel mailicious volunteer that outed people are responsible. NO ONE ELSE. BLOODY HYPOCRITES. HOW DARE THEY.

THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE MENTION FROM YOU ABOUT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED. NOT ONE.

AAWA - LMFAO - you really think WT and all it's powerful masters are going to lose sleep or be bothered about a little chicken shit group that can't even get of the ground in a half competent, half professional fashion.

I've seen amatuers do so much better. MONEY DON'T BUY YOU SHIT.

PEOPLE ARE NOT FOR SALE. Oh sorry, in WT land it does, it's all jw's mentality care about by the look of things.Go blow your trumpet someplace else if you want everyone to bow down and give you reverence and agree with you on everything you say.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES SIMON SITE THE BEST. PEOPLE CAN TALK OPENLY AND HONESTLY ABOUT THINGS WITHOUT BEING AFRAID.

We are sick to F**K of bullshit, lies, deceptions, half truth, un-truths, no truths, spineless cowardly people who couldn't demonstrate what having a back-bone means if it slapped them in the face. Sick of people sweeping things under the carpet and hiding them.

Walk in her and talk down to us and dictate to us, like who are you ?? seriously ??? our father. You don't get to tell anyone what to do no matter who you THINK you are.

STICK TO THE FACTS - ADRESS THE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED HERE - OR SHUT UP ABOUT IT ALL.

IT'S NOT OUR PLACE TO DO AAWA'S JOB COS THEY COULDN'T DO IT.

we owe no-one nothing.

Only Simon - COS THIS IS HIS HOUSE. we are guests.

thank you Simon.

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Constructive feedback for AAWA leadership (IMHO)

by besty in

1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.

2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.

3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.

lost

So it is an insulting term directed at the members here is it ?

I just want to nail that down and make sure there are no mis-understandings or perconceived notions.

Because I wouldn't want to think someone is being very condescending and looking down their noses at others and being highly insulting and pissing all over everyone because they think they have some God given right to do so and then go stratospheric here thinking I am being insulted.

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Constructive feedback for AAWA leadership (IMHO)

by besty in

1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.

2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.

3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.

lost

Peanut gallery ? can someone explain this saying to me please.

I would hope it is not a veiled insult calling us members here monkeys.

Yes there are many intelligent jw's - and ex-jw's. How someone measures intelligence is another matter entirely.

Does one equate academic qualities with intelligence.

Does one a level of experience in association building. Also there are many variets of associations, relevant to subject matter.

Did anyone from AAWA ask here at the forum for help/assistance/constructive input. I'm quite certain had people been asked in the first place to assist they would only be to happy to conrribute their time.

Was Simon asked beforehand for his input/assistance.

Is it for the members here to contact the AAWA members or is it the duty of the board to reach out to others when marketing their company.

Second-hand knowledge and speculative gossip, people responded to the information/action of AAWA.

They 'JWN eye in particular' what is intented by that.

I for one knew nothing about this secretive organisation that was being founded - maybe some others had inside knowledge.

The first I knew of it was when it was announced here by the President, but for that I for one would not of even known it existed. i do know, and the posts are there to prove it, everybody was fully supportive of the organisation as it was presented. There were negative opinions on the choice of name, but that was it.

It would appear what caused the furore was the facebook debacle whereby people were outed. peoples lives. Not business, not brand, not product, LIVES, were affected.

After announcing their new organisation themselves, here on this public forum, the company did not make a statement to the members to assure them matters were immediately being recitifed.

It would appear from that point everything went downhill.

True or not.

Because I think the only thing that matters here to a lot of people is truth and trust. Some don't care, some do.

regards

lost

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I want us all to take a step back and BREATHE!

by NoRegrets in

ok gang, i love each and every one of you.

but, it's time to move it along.

obviously, the aawa blew up before they left the launching pad, but it's over and done.

lost

I disagree. It's all about Freedom of CHOICE for me. With a healthy measure of wisdom, discernment and understanding.

Life is a constant journey. Things change. People change.

People can and should have freedom to choose what they do, what they say, what they think, what they believe, what they read, what they write, who they love, who they believe in, who they trust. Choose how they treat others. Choose how to live their lives. Choose to care.

It's a process.

WT fails monumentally and is no longer a threat. It has lost it's power and can no longer control people. When you strip people of the very things they need to exist and leave them with nothing. They have nothing to lose. When someone has nothing to lose, no one to answer to, no one to navigate them, they are at the most dangerous. this is when they are most dangerous as they are most powerful, when they can no longer be controlled. Desperation forces people into desperate acts.

Choose positives - or choose negatives. It's all about perception really.

I see the positive here in that what has happened will bring people closer, form strong bonds - and from that alone will create a greater strength and power than before. Why ?

I see this as a process of unification. Siblings bitch and fight - but they settle their differences and rally round and protect and support. People in a community do the same thing.

We become more knowledgable - knowledge is power. Empowerment is the greatest gift you can give to someone.

What has happened is not an embarassment, far from it. it's about truth and trust. People need to get to know each other and trust each other. they have to learn who they can believe and trust.

People will see this openeness and transparency and the ability to discuss things and disagree and debate. The WT doesn't have this.

It's just a learning curve that's all.

It will put down a good strong foundation on which to build a solid structure that will be able to endure many tests.

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Believers, your understanding on how old is the earth.

by jam in

lets forget about the creations of man, animals and.

light and darkness.

focus on the period when the earth.

lost

Regardless of people's differing opinion's on this subject. But focusing on what was being taught by jw's to students.

When you were being ensnared - was the teaching the earth was created in 7 x 1,000 'day' periods? or 7 x 7,000 'day' periods.

I'm just looking at the Bible Students website and the ' creation slides ' which i think are fascinating. anyone else seen them?

regards

lost

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any truth 2 Russell funded by Rothchilds

by mind blown in

is any of this true?

historian, historian, david icke states, "...it was the rothschilds who funded the jehovah's witness operation into being, along with other illuminati bankerz (ie, kuhn, loeb, and co.), through "contributionz" by organizationz like the rothschild-controlled b'nai b'rith.

this was proved in a court of law in 1922. one of the key people involved in this was frank goldman who later became president of b'nai b'rith.

lost

I read yesterday in another post where somebody mentioned the Rothschilds as being the true owners of WTBTS.

I can't remember your name - sorry.

Can anyone else add any more information on this.

thanks

lost

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To all the Elders, Ms, Co etc. out there - Are you accountable for the deception

by *lost* in

if the elders united, rebelled and shut up shop - would it bring down the wt.

they 'shepherd the flock' - does that make them more accountable than anyone else for the deception and lies and trickery and deceit.. are they all non-believers who are along for the ride ?.

are they cowardly for taking a stand ?.

lost

All that is needed for evil to conquer is for good men to stand by and do nothing.

edited to add - If they were carrying the label of, teacher, police officer, priest, pastor, mp etc - would you be more vocal in that due to their positions of trust it is worse when they know better but still do/see wrong and allow it to carry on.

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Is there a reason to remain a JW other than for family?

by cedars in

this strikes me as an important question.

in my short time on this forum it strikes me that many contributors are quite open about keeping a foot in both camps.

some are apparently even elders, serving in positions of authority within their respective congregations.

lost

Seriously shaking my head at some people's need to cover up scandals, support, defend and protect abusers at the expense of their victims.