LovesBubs,
But would they label me as having "disassociating myself by my actions", without a formal DA letter from me? Or would they just DF me for my open behavior with or without notice to me?
Posts by Coqui
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15Disfellowshipping Without Judicial Meeting?
by Coqui insorry if i keep coming back to this but i need clarification.. can i be df if i am doing certain activities ie.
birthdays, holidays, attending another church?
i've been away from the borg for two months.
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Blessings from Jehoovah - BAH!
by Beck_Melbourne ini had so many fine blessings as a dub that after pondering on them...i am starting to wonder why i left.. some of my blessings were having the bookstudy in our home, oh what a fine blessing....i didnt have to go out on a cold night and i could save 20 minutes in travelling time....woohoo!!
making the unleven bread for the memorial, cool, i got to have the left overs *blech*.
also, working with the cos wife out on field service...yeah that was awesome, i got to pretend i was spiritual and i could talk crap all morning about the co's use of illustrations *choke*.
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Coqui
How about the couples who denied a true blessing from God "children". Oh you remember, "we are not going to have children in this terrible system of things", who would possibly want to subject their children to this awful world? "We are going to wait for the new world."
Many I am sure they now regret that decision missing out on true blessings from God and now it may be too late.
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Disfellowshipping Without Judicial Meeting?
by Coqui insorry if i keep coming back to this but i need clarification.. can i be df if i am doing certain activities ie.
birthdays, holidays, attending another church?
i've been away from the borg for two months.
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Coqui
Sorry if I keep coming back to this but I need clarification.
Can I be DF if I am doing certain activities ie. birthdays, holidays, attending another church? I've been away from the Borg for two months. When the elders catch wind of any of these activities they will certainly come a callin. If I don't talk with them, not admitting to any of this but it is obvious what I am doing, will they DF me?
My point is I'd rather drift but I beieve they will DF me without one of their little meetings and without my knowledge of this. My current preference is
1. drift away
2. DA before they DF me
I understand the argument of drifting and not playing by their rules and would actually like to persuad a few friends and then just F%#@ around with others.
Any thoughts!!!
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...you mean, you weren't raised JW?
by DanTheMan ini found it humorous and sad and revealing when i was in jerhover's borganization that this is the reaction i often got from the younger, raised in the troof jws.
reading facial expressions and body language, it was more than apparent to me that they were thinking, "you mean you weren't forced into this??
you actually chose to be a jw??!!".
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Coqui
I have attended roughly 11 congregations over the years in different parts of the country. One thing I can say for certain is that the JW's are consistent.
There is always that inner circle mostly made up of these families that have been Jehover's for generations. These families generally are made up of oddballs, almost freaks in many cases. To penetrate that circle impossible(why would you want to?) unless you play by their rules and conform to all of their expectations.
Again I came out of the world, not raised a Jehover. I came in as a young adult and there was always a certain amount of admiration for me but then I got labeled as weak because I remained a lowly publisher, moved a lot changing congregations(he must be unstable, why would anyone make a change?).
In the end, they never respected me as an individual, for who I am. Always conditional love!!!
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On the Verge of Leaving the Testigos
by Coqui inlooking for suggestions!.
i am 38 years old.
not raised in the "truth", baptized in 1984. married with three very young kids.
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Coqui
Patriot,
Gracias por responder! No soy Boriqua pero en mi corazon soy Boriqua. Felicidades por tu decision y SUERTE or GOOD LUCK (can I say that?) Claro que son chismosos!! Viviendo por la gente.
With regards to the christmas tree/holidays, I want to be able to have my tree, do things freely ie. open my door when the tree is dispalyed and not worryt if two men in suits are going to knock knock my door. And if they do where does all of this go?
I now see and understand if one DA himself one is still playing by the WTS rules, but isn't that better than being DF'ed for my Christmas tree etc.
Again, what happens to our name if we just start life again as FREE PEOPLE and don't DA or meet formally with the elders?
Coqui
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On the Verge of Leaving the Testigos
by Coqui inlooking for suggestions!.
i am 38 years old.
not raised in the "truth", baptized in 1984. married with three very young kids.
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Coqui
Ajax,
Claro, unos son COMEMIERDAS!!!!!!
Como tu sabes tanto?
Coqui
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On the Verge of Leaving the Testigos
by Coqui inlooking for suggestions!.
i am 38 years old.
not raised in the "truth", baptized in 1984. married with three very young kids.
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Coqui
Thanks Dismembered,
I knew it. There I was thirty minutes ago cutting my front yard with a cold one sitting on the trunk of my car and the mini-van pulled up. Two elders, suit, tie and book bags. One has never been to my house in three years. Nice for him to show concern for me.
I was nervous and it probably showed a bit. I did not invite the usual conversation and they stood there stiff looking for words. They asked the usual about family, job and never pressed me for what is really going on. (Do you think they are going to read this on their computers tonight?) Why didn't they ask what is really going on? What was I supposed to say? They stayed about ten minutes and never really said anything. Lots of adrenaline flowing here today!!
Coqui
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On the Verge of Leaving the Testigos
by Coqui inlooking for suggestions!.
i am 38 years old.
not raised in the "truth", baptized in 1984. married with three very young kids.
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Coqui
Thanks again for the responses.
It is great to here at home with my family relaxed on a gorgeous fall Sunday morning typing on my computer, getting ready for some light yard work, waiting for the football games to begin, cracking open a cold beer at 12:40AM eastern time while waiting for my house call by the elders.
Question, If we try to drift away, and the elders drive by my house in December and see my christmas tree in the window won't they have sufficient grounds to DF me and my wife. When they see my kids at the neighbors birthday party. See my kids trick or treating. See me standing for the national anthem at a sporting event. See me voting for president etc.
When they see this they will want to obviously meet with me. Correct me if I'm wrong but they can never DF me unless they meet with me in a judicial meeting and find these accusations true. Correct?
Coqui
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On the Verge of Leaving the Testigos
by Coqui inlooking for suggestions!.
i am 38 years old.
not raised in the "truth", baptized in 1984. married with three very young kids.
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Coqui
Thanks for the responses and the warm welcome.
The ONLY family we have are two cousins who live on the other side of the country. We see them maybe once every two years. They were the one's who introduced me to the organization when I was 19. I would like to still be able to still talk with them and share my feelings hoping they would once again be free. It would be uncomfortable for us to see them at family gatherings but I feel that the release from our shackles would be worth it.
Coqui
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On the Verge of Leaving the Testigos
by Coqui inlooking for suggestions!.
i am 38 years old.
not raised in the "truth", baptized in 1984. married with three very young kids.
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Coqui
Looking for suggestions!
I am 38 years old. Not raised in the "TRUTH", baptized in 1984. Married with three very young kids. My wife baptized 9 years ago. I have never been a Pioneer, Ministerial Servant or Elder and never wanted to be. Imagine after being involved with these people for so many years how I must be viewed by not achieving any of these lofty positions. Thankfully going against the grain to a degree and thinking on my own I finished college years ago, have achieved a wonderful secular employment position, have a beautiful home and family.
We have been going through the motions now for many years. I, we cannot continue living this unrealistic lifestyle dictated from New York. About four months ago my wife and I talked about our true feelings and decided we really aren't JW's and maybe we need to change, escape would be more like it, possibly a move. I then typed JW's in the computer and thankfully found many people who thought like myself. (I know in every Kindom Hall there are people who think and feel like me but they cannot express their views because of the understanding of 100% compliance, I would like to test a few) I found so much information and over the months we have become more committed to our escape. I have not been to a meeting in two months. My wife maybe once a week. She fears the loss of a few half-hearted friends. I've gotten a call from one elder, asking "BROTHER, IS EVERYTHING OKAAAAY?" (wink,wink) Please tell me all. You all remember that question, also the question "GEE, WE MISSED YOU BROTHER". Did they really miss me or are they reminding me that I MISSED a meeting. Why are they keeping track anyways? Mental midgets have a lot of time on their hands to keep track of my meeting attendance. Anyway, this same elder came by the house solo and talked to us about a month ago. I wasn't home and I am in the waiting for my next visit. I imagine very soon.
My concern is how to escape. We want our kids to have what I consider a normal childhood ie. birthdays, Thanksgiving, Christmas, school experiences etc. We want to also live our lifes fully, not being dogged by a bunch of hypocritical, judging, self-rightous ignorants. If we disassociate ourselves we are free to do as we please. To me this seems to be the most direct, cut and dry method. If we just slowly drift away I imagine the end result will be a disfellowshipping when my kids have a birthday party or the brothers see me dragging my christmas tree into the house. I prefer to leave under my own terms and let certain friends hear my side of the story rather than be DF'ed. I don't believe a slow drift is possible without a long distance move.
Suggestions please,
Coqui