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Well, Who Deserves And Should Be Wearing The "Dunce Cap" Now?

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please note: this post will resonate with all bible-believers and is especially written for them.. we all have a bible, to study.

(deut.

30:11-14) there is no jehovah's witness world wide that cannot claim to have one.. so, if god's word provides the facts and becomes our "textbook" to study as a qualified, factual reference material as all jehovah's witnesses say, then can anyone [like the watchtower adherents of today] truthfully claim to be "tricked," "hoodwicked," "bamboozled," etc., etc.

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Hi all, *:) happy

PLEASE NOTE: This post will resonate with all bible-believers and is especially written for them.

We all have a bible, to study. (Deut. 30:11-14) There is no Jehovah's Witness world wide that cannot claim to have one.

So, if God's Word provides the facts and becomes our "textbook" to study as a qualified, factual reference material as all Jehovah's Witnesses say, then can anyone [like the Watchtower Adherents of today] truthfully claim to be "tricked," "hoodwicked," "bamboozled," etc., etc. by the Watchtower Society with the Bible sitting right in their laps? Can over seven (7) million Watchtower Adherents the world over, righteously claim this, nowadays?

Especially since all christians were told to become "Beroeans" anyway, carefully searching the Word for verification of what's being taught to them. (Acts 17:11) Jesus told us to "keep on knocking, keep seeking." He said "God's Word was truth." (Matt. 7:7; John 17:17) The book of Proverbs told us to "search" for truth, and that we would find "the knowledge of God." (Proverbs 2:3-5) Paul said to "rightly divide" the word of truth, and "make sure of all things." (2 Tim. 2:15 KJV; 1 Thess. 5:21) And John said to "test the inspired expression" to see if it is really from God. (1 John 4:1) Proverbs adds to "buy truth, and do not sell it." (Proverbs 23:23)

The book of Ezekiel tells us, the false prophet and his "inquirers," all receive and DESERVE the exact same punishment. (Ezekiel 14:9, 10)

Jesus said, if the "blind, follow the blind" they both fall "into the pit"... together. (Matthew 15:14)

So if someone tells you, Jesus meant an "overlapping" generation at Matt. 24:34, where two groups of individuals were involved, after teaching for innumerable years it was really only one (1) generation of people involved, you would have to be a complete "idiot" to tolerate and what's worse follow, advocate and recommend this "garbage" to others.

And then, these same teachers right after that, tell you that they (and only them) are to be regarded as the "Faithful & Discreet Slave," and you swallow that too ... well, who should be wearing the "dunce cap" now, I ask?

And yet we find these events have occurred, and these people [JWs] continue to go from house-to-house, condemning everyone they meet, because they say these "church" people are not true "Beroeans," like us Jehovah's Witnesses ... well, who should be wearing the "dunce cap" now?

See link to latest article on "overlapping" generation, paragraphs 14-16, at: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2014047

The proverbial "Dunce Cap" is described below as being:

Link (See picture of kid wearing it at this link): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunce_cap

A dunce cap, also variously known as a dunce hat, dunce's cap, or dunce's hat, is a pointed hat, formerly used as an article ofdiscipline in schools. In popular culture, it is typically made of paper and often marked with a D or the word "dunce", and given toschoolchildren to wear as punishment by public humiliation for misbehavior and, as the name implies, stupidity. Frequently the 'dunce' was made to stand in the corner, facing the wall as a result of some bad behavior (see time out for a similar method without the humiliation aspect). Depending on the teacher, they might have to stand for as long as half an hour. Examples of behavior which could warrant the dunce cap included throwing spitballs, passing notes, or pulling of hair. Class clowns were frequently admonished with the dunce cap.

Although seemingly (and possibly initially) intended to punish the student with the lowest academic performance in the class (the "dunce"), such a use could hardly have been very successful, as pure punishment is incapable of increasing intelligence. It is likely it was used far more successfully to rein in rebellious or disrespectful students and unite the class against misbehavior by making an example of the offender and forcing them to endure the collective scorn of their classmates for a set period of time. Since no one wanted to be labeled the "dunce" in the class social hierarchy, even for only a short period of time, it served as an effective deterrent to acting out.

In modern pedagogy dunce caps are extremely rare, as most current educational systems consider behavior modification via public humiliation to be both politically incorrect and potentially psychologically traumatizing for schoolchildren, instead advocating systems of "praise in public, punish in private." In some districts, singling out a child for humiliation with the dunce cap (or similar methods) may even be considered criminal harassment or child abuse, exposing the teacher to termination of employment, lawsuits, or prosecution.

A very similar practice on the European continent was a paper headdress known as donkey's ears, as a symbol of 'asinine' stupidity.

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Challenge Question For All JWs: Is It Scriptural For Jehovah's Witnesses To Say All The "Kings of the Earth" Will Be Destroyed At Armageddon?

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especially for all "newbies" here:.

challenge question: is it scriptural for jehovah's witnesses to say all the "kings of the earth" will be destroyed at armageddon?.

you may find the following interesting to consider:.

bjc2read

Especially for all "newbies" here:

Challenge Question: Is It Scriptural For Jehovah's Witnesses To Say All The "Kings of the Earth" Will Be Destroyed At Armageddon?

You may find the following interesting to consider:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/132273/1/Will-Earths-Rulers-Ever-Serve-Jehovah-Rev-21-24#.Unj3gHCsiSo

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All JW Elders World Wide...A Call To Action!

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this just posted on a jw reform board at this link:.

http://meletivivlon.com/2013/10/13/remember-those-who-instructed-you/#comment-4950.

see acts 20:26-28.. if we do not speak out now, at this time, then no elder in any body of elders from around the world, will be able to repeat the words of paul, with a clear conscience.

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This just posted on a JW Reform Board at this link:

http://meletivivlon.com/2013/10/13/remember-those-who-instructed-you/#comment-4950

To: All Jehovah's Witnesses Elders World Wide ... A Call To Action!

Quote:

First of all, let me say to Xxxxxx…your piece written above is BRILLIANTLY worded! Job well-done!

I find, the fact that the Governing Body has reduced CT Russell, in the July 15th, 2013 study issue, to practically nothingness, is appalling. This may be the “last straw” that “elders” around the world can take, in all good conscience. Because now, CT Russell has become just like John the Baptizer…leading us to where? To the current 8 members of the Governing Body??? That's a joke. This article and such like other explanations (like “overlapping generation”) of things of recent years is incredibly unscriptural and unspiritual and shows the great bible ignorance of the Governing Body, plain and simple. These bible explanations found in our publications released in recent years, have become a stinging insult to new bible studies and interested persons, and other potential baptismal candidates who show interest, to actually consider this as “food at the proper time,” from Jehovah and Jesus. (Matt. 24:45-47)

Solution: I suggest, the same “holy spirit” that supposedly appointed the Governing Body to office, is also the exact same “holy spirit” that has supposedly appointed the body of elders around the world, in over 100,000 congregations worldwide. That is our belief, per Acts 20:28. (The notion that there was a first century governing body issuing orders to the local elders of the first century has been disproved many times on this website. No such arrangement existed, only Jesus-appointed “apostles” had any extraordinary authority over “elders” of the first century. And we all know, there are no INSPIRED “apostles” on earth today.)

I, for the foregoing reasons and others, recommend that a body of “elders” begin to be gathered earth wide, using this website as a springboard, where “elders” (in whom, we already accept and believe are appointed by “holy spirit”) be formed to become a special spiritual policy-forming elder “caucus” and/or elder “constituency” whereby all information written by Watchtower Society Headquarters Personnel & other “parties” (AKA Governing Body) be “proofed,” “checked over” and finally “approved” by the same said special elder body “constituency” before released to the “sheep” [congregations in general] by way of the study articles for general consumption, as approved “food” from the Faithful & Discreet Slave. In so doing, this would become an “answer” to whats being written from Headquarters of late. Also, it becomes, a definitive, “plan of action” on the body of elders part, earth wide.

I believe, Jehovah and Jesus, would approve of such needed actions, on the “spirit-appointed” elders part, earth wide.

I further recommend, Xxxxx Xxxxx, lead this elder “constituency” itself, and act as “Coordinator” of this Special World Wide “Elder” Caucus. If necessary, a special discussion board could be set up, for this very purpose, so that elders from around the world, could contribute their thoughts on these vital issues.

Let it be said, I (and many others) have just as much belief that Jehovah and Jesus had something to do with the establishment and maintenance of this particular website, and the ideas flowing therefrom, than I do with what’s being currently “passed off” as spiritual “food,” written in the Watchtower publications, of recent. In short it could be said, the Watchtower Society & Company, brought this upon themselves, by their own hand and devices. I believe, from henceforth, they must be “monitored,” [by the world wide body of "elders"] in order to protect the “sheep” from potential, spiritual harm, whether intended or done unwittingly. (Acts 20:28-30)

In conclusion let me say, if I am to believe (as do still many others) God’s “holy spirit” has appointed all elders in all congregations, and that’s all elders and not just the Governing Body, then these same said “elders” must then speak with a “collective” voice. Which of course means, all elders then, must have a say in the internal affairs, beliefs, practices and teachings that govern and legislate affairs affecting the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses world wide. Then too I further believe, the Governing Body of New York and Watchtower Society Headquarters by necessity, is thus, merely a part of that greater constituency of “elders” that GOVERN the entire body of congregations, over 100,000 earth wide. They are a thus, part of it, and NOT … NOT the final word on what is fed to the “sheep” on an earth wide basis, if the earth wide “body of elders” has anything to say about it. And this position, is scriptural, I believe.

Therefore let it be known, these duly appointed-by-holy-spirit, spiritual “shepherds” are NOT going to sit by idly, and pretend they don’t see danger, creeping nearer and nearer to the flock. This they will not do.

It is unfortunate that things have progressed to this low level of spirituality in our organization, but because of our current situation, many “elders” now know (with the release of the July 15th, 2013 issue for sure), it has become quite necessary to take courage at this “critical time” (2 Tim. 3:1), from the words of first century “apostle” and “elder” of his time, Paul when he said:

“Hence I call you to witness this very day that I am clean from the blood of all men, for I have NOT HELD BACK from telling you all the counsel of God.”

And further reminded us all,

“Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God,which he purchased with the blood of his own [Son].” — See Acts 20:26-28.

If we do not speak out now, at this time, then no “elder” in any body of elders from around the world, will be able to repeat the words of Paul, with a clear conscience. Now is the time to speak out … Now is the time to “speak” in behalf of the “speechless one,” [weakened congregation members] and speak in behalf of all those “that are passing away” [leaving the congregations, and stepping down from positions of leadership, etc.] and perishing in spiritual obscurity by going back to Satan’s world, because of the deplorable, “detestable things,” things that many in positions of leadership, are now “sighing & groaning” about, the world over. — See Proverbs 31:8, 9; Ezekiel 9:4.

End of quote.

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Watchtower Society Has Systemically, Methodically Over The Years, Caused All JWs Diabolically To Worship Watchtower Headquarters Leadership [or G.B.]!

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(of course, this will be "old news" to many of you...but, this is especially written for the "newbies" who may not know of the following.).

... i was just wondering .... .

i remember back when i was very active among the jehovah's witnesses, the watchtower society recommended a special procedure they used to do to put pressure upon bible studies of jehovah's witnesses by doing something they called: "directing attention to the organization.

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The "Report" Book, close to 2 decades ago (written 1994) on page 201, made the following startling prediction about the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses:

“...And so, the Watchtower magazine under the present-day Governing Body arrangement, is placed on the same level, given parity and equal status, with God’s Word. Jehovah’s Witnesses are subtly encouraged to view it as such. With the Governing Body controlling the contents of the Watchtower magazine, one needs no imagination to see how this special "tool" could be easily used to capture and manipulate the "minds and hearts of sincere persons" earth-wide and eventually exact unquestioned obedience, as would a "god." -- See 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4.

It continues:

"Thus, we see the stage set for this Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, since the decision was made to empower this special “body of elders” on December 4, 1975 and which became fully operational January 1, 1976, to become “a god” or the “man of lawlessness” spoken of at 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 which wickedly dominates God’s Name People, mystery “Israel.” Yes, and this would be according to the “operation” of Satan or the “working within” the organization by Satan. (See 2 Thessalonians 2:9 Kingdom Interlinear Translation under “operation”) Crafty, insidious and diabolical indeed!"

See link: www.thereportbook.com/acult.htm

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Watchtower Society Has Systemically, Methodically Over The Years, Caused All JWs Diabolically To Worship Watchtower Headquarters Leadership [or G.B.]!

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(of course, this will be "old news" to many of you...but, this is especially written for the "newbies" who may not know of the following.).

... i was just wondering .... .

i remember back when i was very active among the jehovah's witnesses, the watchtower society recommended a special procedure they used to do to put pressure upon bible studies of jehovah's witnesses by doing something they called: "directing attention to the organization.

bjc2read

Thanks again for all the fine comments and astute observations made thus far on this thread. I appreciate it.

I just wanted to add this little tidbit for all the "newbies" reading here for the first time.

Just recently, in the July 15th, 2013 Watchtower article on "Who Really Is The Faithful Slave And Discreet Slave?" this insidious statement was made, concerning whether a person could have a quote, "healthy spiritual relationship with Jehovah" ... without having one with the Governing Body:

Comment found in paragraph #2 of the 4th study article in the July 15th, 2013 magazine.

" ... That faithful slave is the channel through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the faithful slave. OUR SPIRITUAL HEALTH AND OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD DEPEND ON THIS CHANNEL.—Matt. 4:4; John 17:3."

In other words, your personal relationship with Jehovah, completely depends on your having a close, "healthy," "relationship" with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Did you know this?

Maybe all Jehovah's Witnesses baptized before 1985, did not know this, actually. I know I didn't. Yes, this is a new point for all to consider.

Let's mention that point again because of its great importance.

This means of course, you personally cannot have a "healthy," yes that's "healthy," spiritual "relationship with Jehovah," without...without the Governing Body [representing the "spirit-directed" organization, being the main or leading part of it]. And that's the real reason for the big change in the baptismal questions all the way back to the summer of 1985. Its all about getting [or stealing] "glory" for themselves, plain and simple. Its about stealing from Jehovah God! Remember, first [back in 1985] we needed a close, "intimate relationship" with the "spirit-directed Organization." But nowadays, a few years later, you need more specifically, a close, "healthy, spiritual relationship" with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses...before you can have one with Jehovah. -- See Exodus 20:3; Isaiah 42:8; Ezekiel 43:8.

Again I would ask, did you know this?

See link to July 15th, 2013 Watchtower magazine, covering 4th study article entitled "Who Really Is The Faithful And Discreet Slave?" paragraph #2, where this statement is made: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magaz ... eet-slave/

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Watchtower Society Has Systemically, Methodically Over The Years, Caused All JWs Diabolically To Worship Watchtower Headquarters Leadership [or G.B.]!

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(of course, this will be "old news" to many of you...but, this is especially written for the "newbies" who may not know of the following.).

... i was just wondering .... .

i remember back when i was very active among the jehovah's witnesses, the watchtower society recommended a special procedure they used to do to put pressure upon bible studies of jehovah's witnesses by doing something they called: "directing attention to the organization.

bjc2read

Thanks everyone for your comments above.

I would like to make one additional thought for sincere pondering:

... With the Governing Body controlling the contents of the Watchtower magazine, one needs no imagination to see how this special "tool" [Watchtower magazine] could be easily used to capture and manipulate the "minds and hearts" of sincere persons earth-wide and eventually exact unquestioned obedience, as would a "god." -- See 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4.

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Watchtower Society Has Systemically, Methodically Over The Years, Caused All JWs Diabolically To Worship Watchtower Headquarters Leadership [or G.B.]!

by bjc2read in

(of course, this will be "old news" to many of you...but, this is especially written for the "newbies" who may not know of the following.).

... i was just wondering .... .

i remember back when i was very active among the jehovah's witnesses, the watchtower society recommended a special procedure they used to do to put pressure upon bible studies of jehovah's witnesses by doing something they called: "directing attention to the organization.

bjc2read

Hi all,

(Of course, this will be "Old News" to many of you...but, this is especially written for the "newbies" who may not know of the following.)

... I was just wondering ...

I remember back when I was very active among the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Watchtower Society recommended a special procedure they used to do to put pressure upon bible studies of Jehovah's Witnesses by doing something they called: " directing attention to the organization ." This was to be done in field service, at the end of the bible study, for about ten minues or so. You were supposed to bring some brochure or literature that spoke of the organization, or you could talk about meeting times, topics at the meetings, etc. Maybe some of you remember this "added" procedure.

Well, back then I used to wonder, 'why are they telling us to do this?'

Anyway, the idea never caught on with me. I just could'nt get into the hang of it for some reason. Which leads me to this question,

Should Jehovah's Witnesses proudly "put faith in" and/or shamelessly tell the world they attribute actual "salvation" to their organization? Isn't that something we (Jehovah's Witnesses) should be ashamed of even saying openly to the public?

Here are a couple of examples:

The cover of the March 1st, 1979 Watchtower magazine boldly proclaims,

“Put Faith in a Victorious Organization!”

Then too, the accompanying article repeatedly drives home the theme of having faith in the organization by saying:

“Faith in Jehovah’s theocratic organization... Did the remnant of spiritual Israelites and their theocratic companions, the ‘great crowd’ of Christ’s ‘other sheep,’ have such victorious faith? Yes!... Witnesses have kept their faith in Jehovah’s organization.” (p 18)

The article poses the question, “Is there any cause for us to lose faith in Jehovah’s visible organization...?” The answer is given, “Absolutely Not!... Our unwavering faith will be rewarded with victory and the crown of life.”

Did you get that?

The Watchtower Society teaches that Faith in the Organization will be rewarded with eternal life!

The same was stated in the November 15th, 1981 Watchtower magazine , p 21, where it says,

“Come to Jehovah’s Organization for Salvation”

That's right. We can get "Salvation" not from Jehovah God...not from Jesus Christ, but from Jehovah's Organization!!! (Please compare Rev. 7:10 )

Did you know this???

And of course, it is clear from the literature of the Watchtower Society, that when they say “Jehovah’s organization” they mean the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Brooklyn, NY. Under the Watchtower Society's insidious indoctrination, faith in God and His Son Jesus Christ becomes faith in the Watchtower Organization. (Please contrast John 14:1 to what the Watchtower Teaches on this point.)

Doesn't this mean, Jehovah's Witnesses are wickedly advocating "putting faith in" the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization and worse, shamelessly attributing actual "Salvation" to the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization? (And, they seem to be proud and very happy to tell you all about this. They even give it a special name: "directing attention to the organization")

Is that who Revelation 7:10 says we "owe salvation" to?

How do Jehovah's Witnesses justify such a stand? Doesn't this whole "worship the organization" type of attitude they (Watchtower Society) push, strike you as blatantly wicked?

It has been noted that even in recent years, the Watchtower Society has been quick to point out the sin of idolatry in other religions. For instance this comment:

“Swayed by sensational oratory, some pour their hard-earned money into the pockets of TV evangelists in wholehearted support that amounts to devotion.” (See Watchtower March 1st, 1995, page 9.)

Given the Watchtower Society's stance on how all Jehovah's Witnesses should view their leadership, doesn't this come across quite hypocritical to you???

However, notice this emphatic statement on how all Jehovah's Witnesses should view their dedication before Jehovah.

It was clearly stated:

“A Christian therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of ANY ORGANIZATION, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit.” — July 1st, 1955 Watchtower pg. 411 par. 15.

…Or this quote which says the same thing,

“Jehovah is the giver of life. ‘For with you is the source of life.’ (Ps. 36:9) We cannot keep everlasting life in view without staying CLOSE TO JEHOVAH, the source of life … This is what we mean when we dedicate our lives to Jehovah. We DO NOT DEDICATE OURSELVES TO A RELIGION, nor to a man, nor to AN ORGANIZATION. No, we dedicate ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself. This makes dedication a VERY PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN US AND JEHOVAH. For this reason, all dedicated ones are not only privileged but obligated to draw near to Jehovah in prayer. James 4:8 tells us: ‘Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you.” — October 1st, 1966 Watchtower pgs. 603, 604 paragraph 14, 15

Additionally, the questions for that particular study article paragraph, to re-emphasize the point was:

“What principles must we keep clearly in mind in our relationship to Jehovah? What should we know about dedication? What necessary thing will help us to stay close to Jehovah, keeping him always before?

So then, why am I bringing up these quotes from yesteryear publications?

Well, consider this. What about the earth-shaking changes and adjustments, made to our baptismal, dedication questions of recent years? What about those baptismal questions that are propounded to all new baptismal candidates world wide, as of the summer of 1985. Questions, from the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. These questions are:

1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in ASSOCIATION WITH GOD’S SPIRIT-DIRECTED ORGANIZATION? (See June 1st, 1985 Watchtower pg. 30 paragraphs 3 &4.)

In case your are wondering, before that time, (before 1985) the dedication questions for all baptismal candidates were simply,

1) Have you recognized yourself as a sinner and needing salvation from Jehovah God? And have you acknowledged that this salvation proceeds from him and through his ransomer, Christ Jesus?

2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for redemption have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to Jehovah God, to do his will henceforth as that will is revealed to you through Christ Jesus and through God’s Word as his Holy Spirit makes it plain? (See 1970 Watchtower pg. 309 paragraph 20.)

So, according to the original purpose exhibited in the use of the original questions, the 1966 Watchtower magazine reminds that we must always keep in mind, our dedication brings us “close to Jehovah,” and we must always stay close to Jehovah, Jesus Christ, and the bible which is the product of God’s Holy Spirit. Therefore according to my dedication, the bible then & now, is the LAST WORD to me, and ultimate determining factor, on all doctrinal matters and becomes the genuine foundation of my religious belief system, or of any persuasion of religious belief, that I personally hold to God Almighty, Jehovah, and His heavenly enthroned, “only-begotten” Son & King, Jesus. — 2 Tim. 3:16, 17

However, just so we don't get confused about the REAL INTENT of the recent change given to the new set of baptismal questions, the Watchtower Society spells it out for us by saying in April 15th, 1987 issue, page 15:

(See W87 4/15 pg. 15 – Gaining Peace With God Through Dedication and Baptism – under the Footnotes)

“Recently the two questions addressed to baptismal candidates were simplified so that candidates could answer with full comprehension of what is involved in coming into intimate relationship with God and his earthly organization .”

Now did they say, we should come into an "intimate relationship" with an impersonal "organization"??? How can a living, breathing person, do that?

And that is not all.

When we go back in years past, the Watchtower Society leadership repeatedly spoke out openly against putting faith in an organization, or imputing salvation to an organization. They point-blank said it was Idolatry. Take this quote for instance:

“If one renders obedient service to someone or some organization, whether willingly or under compulsion, looking up to such as possessing a position of superior rulership and great authority, then that one can Scripturally be said to be a worshiper.” (See Watchtower, September 1st, 1961 page 525.)

Also, notice this comment in years past:

“Then note what happened to these idolatrous worshipers of a man-made organization.” (See Watchtower December 1st, 1971, page 723)

Also, this comment some years ago:

“where should your faith be placed - in a religious organization or in God?” (See Watchtower January 15th, 1970 page 37).

And even this one, which occurred more recently:

“We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry - be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization.” (See Watchtower November 1st, 1990 page 26.)

Can you believe they had the nerve to say all of this, and even put it in print, for the whole world to read??? Can you believe this???

Again, let's go back to that same Watchtower magazine mentioned above, where it was clearly stated in the November 15th, 1981 Watchtower, page 21:

“Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation”.

Yes, they said this...even as incredible as it seems. But, it was surely said, in print, for the whole world to see.

Also as mentioned above, the front cover of the March 1st, 1979 Watchtower magazine did in fact boldly proclaim,

“Put Faith in a Victorious Organization!”

We are reminded, In the accompanying article repeatedly drives home the theme of the necessity of one having faith in the organization. It states:

“Faith in Jehovah’s theocratic organization... Did the remnant of spiritual Israelites and their theocratic companions, the ‘great crowd’ of Christ’s ‘other sheep,’ have such victorious faith? Yes!... Witnesses have kept their faith in Jehovah’s organization.” (p 18)

This particular article even poses the question,

“Is there any cause for us to lose faith in Jehovah’s visible organization...?”

The answer is given, “Absolutely Not!... Our unwavering faith will be rewarded with victory and the crown of life.”

So, faith in the organization itself, means assured everlasting life. Its a guarantee.

Additionally, when referring to itself, the Watchtower Society makes this direct statement,

“Are they merely a man-made organization that God can use, if he chooses, or are they the visible earthly part of God’s organization? Let the facts speak!” (See May 1st, 1981, page 17.)

The writers pose the question, are we simply an organization that God can simply choose to use or not? Or, are we something more. Are not we the visible earthly part of God's organization, which of means, we are totally indispensable to God's purpose.

At this point, we are reminded of the Mosaic Law itself, the 10 Commandments, where it is clearly stated:

"You must not have any other gods against my face." [Exodus 20:3]

That commandment we remember, is clear and simple. And Jehovah God the Almighty continues by telling us why. He tells us,

"...because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion..." [Exodus 20:5]

Well, it seems this organization has forgotten this fact. It seems this organization and its leadership, has clearly put those eternal principles aside, in favor their own special brand of idolatrous worship of God...'organization' style. (Isaiah 42:8)

We are reminded that more recently, with the release of the July 15th, 2013 Watchtower magazine study articles, we will now learn a most important "New Light" truth, namely that the "Faithful and Discreet" spoken of in Matt. 24:45-47, is none other than the Governing Body itself. Yes, it is "New Light" from the Watchtower Society. All of which means now, we can simply focus our attention, not just on the organization, no, no, but now we must focus our attention on its leadership and who make up such...the Governing Body. We must now, actually attribute "salvation" to a glorious organization, and to its glorious leadership too, the Governing Body.

And in the days ahead, there is more. Yes, added to that fact, we in store for another upcoming magazine, which tells us explicitly on how we should feel about this leadership of the organization and how we should obey them, faithfully without wavering. The November 15th, 2013 Watchtower Study article will tell us:

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magaz ... ght-dukes/
Paragraph 17

"At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. ALL OF US MUST BE READY TO OBEY ANY INSTRUCTIONS WE MAY RECEIVE, WHETHER THESE APPEAR SOUND FROM A STRATEGIC OR HUMAN STANDPOINT OR NOT. (4) Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking. The elders must stand ready to help any who may now be wavering in their faith."

Having this attitude as described above, shows us exactly where the organization is headed. It is headed to obeying man, at all cost, irregardless of whether it is logical, reasonable or makes sense. We must obey, regardless. We must not "waver" in our faith by not being obedient to these men.

But of course, we know this is something that the bible specifically tells us NOT TO DO, when it tells us to always:

'... Offer our sacred service [to God] with the power of reason' [Romans 12:1 New World Translation ]

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The faithful and discreet slave's proctologist

by Terry in

we are told we cannot sit down with the bible and discover the "truth" because we need the faithful and discreet slave's channeled knowledge.. so, logically, if we can't get the truth from the bible we are getting it from the slave who isn't getting from the bible.. where is the faithful and discreet slave getting the truth?.

see the topic title for your answer.. yes, the proctologist sees the real channel of communication the watchtower society has!.

they are pulling it of their ass..

bjc2read

Thanks Terry for your commentary above. I really enjoyed it!

It's a definite fact that they [GB/Watchtower Society] don't encourage independent study of the Bible, and of course we know the reason why. And it is not because a person could not learn the truth if they follow the advice given in Proverbs "to search for it as one would for hidden treasures." I am reminded of this passage from the book of Proverbs which plainly tells us:

"if, moreover, you call out for understanding itself and you give forth your voice for discernment itself, if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for, in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and YOU WILL FIND THE VERY OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOD." -- Proverbs 2:3-5 New World Translation

So the bible gives us the direct answer to this question, of whether one [an JW individual or anyone else for that matter] person can truly find the "truth" or not by personal effort or not. Can it be done through intense personal effort on an individual's part? The Watchtower says no. But what does the bible say about this. The bible answers, "yes." The bible gives each individual the answer to this question. But, we simply must be willing to do something. We must be willing to really, "search" for it, like looking for "silver" or "hid treatures," which means intense personal effort on all of our parts. But, the Watchtower Society or the Governing Body, cannot stop or retard this process. Its all up the individual and His Creator, and that's it. And Jehovah and Jesus always know who really, really searching for it, like "hid treatures" and who are not. They know. Which means, this wicked viewpoint of the Governing Body/Watchtower Society is simply a Satanic "ploy," an obvious ploy by the GB [to tell people they and only them, can correctly intrepret the bible for all other people] to keep people from reading the Bible for themselves and learning. Incidentally I must add, this has really worked on most JWs and got them to do precisely that. They must stay ignorant, the way the WTBTS wants to be. (1 Cor. 14:38) They are told, to "Wait on Jehovah" and also, "Wait" on the "Slave" too, to understand the "deep things" about the bible, which is a big, big mistake if we listen to this garbage. -- 1 Cor. 2:10 I also think this evil ploy works on people because most people don't really want to put forth the necessary effort it takes to learn "hid treasures" from the Bible. So this diabolical ploy plays right into the hands of the GB/Watchtower perfectly. Most JWs are just lazy about bible study. Its much easier to just let the Watchtower do all their thinking for them. For example, I was surprised my own mother bought into this "ploy" too, by telling me one day she didn't really study or read the bible much, because she couldn't understand it. Now mind you, this lady had been an active, baptized Jehovah's Witness since 1947, and that's what she told me. Of course, I didn't agree with her and told her so. We all know its the GB's main agenda to discourage individuals from studying the Bible, once they join the JW movement. They also, don't want you to go to college too, so that you will not learn how to "THINK' either. (I attended college myself, gained two degrees for myself, despite their foolish protests. My father insisted on higher education for all his children.) They don't need those type of people around, educated people, educated in the bible knowledge or higher secular education either. They don't want either kind around the "Kingdumb Hall," do they? They want you to stay "dumb" and let them do all the thinking. Because, if you can learn the bible on your own, then you don't need them to tell you what to believe. (As many already know, the little understanding they have of what the bible teaches, can be gleaned by anyone who would take the time to study it.) When a circuit overseer's wife told me that Matthew 28:18 didn't mean what I thought it meant, that was because my understanding was not the same as what the GB said it meant. So while I'm in field service, if I don't explain a verse the way they do, then I don't have truth. Therefore it's a waste of time for me to read the Bible on my own, in their opinion. And we know the operative word from the GB is "Obey me" and only me. For example this latest statement from an upcoming magazine: here is the link to the Watchtower's Comment from the latest Nov. 15th, 2013 issue... http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/seven-shepherds-eight-dukes/ Paragraph 17

"At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive ,whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. (4) Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking. The elders must stand ready to help any who may now be wavering in their faith. "

End of quote. 'Nuff said. Thanks again, for your comment.

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After Much Study, Can You Personally Figure Out The 1914 Dilemma??? (Daniel 7th Chapter)

by bjc2read in

we all know, any avid student of scripture in our time, can easily learn from their personal study of the holy writings, that jesus christ was clearly given the inestimable privilege to "sit upon god's throne," yes, being enthroned in the first century, and upon his resurrection where he was magnificently proclaimed a permanent "son of god," on an everlasting basis.

(see romans 1:4; revelation 3:12.

) this is an indisputable fact.

bjc2read

You can tell us what your current understanding of Daniel the 7th chapter is, that's since your [mental] escape from Watchtower Land and GB thinking.

That's if you wish to venture an opinion on the topic.

Its up to you.

bjc

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After Much Study, Can You Personally Figure Out The 1914 Dilemma??? (Daniel 7th Chapter)

by bjc2read in

we all know, any avid student of scripture in our time, can easily learn from their personal study of the holy writings, that jesus christ was clearly given the inestimable privilege to "sit upon god's throne," yes, being enthroned in the first century, and upon his resurrection where he was magnificently proclaimed a permanent "son of god," on an everlasting basis.

(see romans 1:4; revelation 3:12.

) this is an indisputable fact.

bjc2read

We all know, any avid student of scripture in our time, can easily learn from their personal study of the Holy Writings, that Jesus Christ was clearly given the inestimable privilege to "sit upon God's throne," yes, being enthroned in the first century, and upon his resurrection where he was magnificently proclaimed a PERMANENT "SON OF GOD," on an everlasting basis. (See Romans 1:4; Revelation 3:12.) This is an indisputable fact. Hardly anyone today would argue this point. Additionally, key verses such as Matthew 28:18 and Ephesians 1:20-22 impressively remove all doubt so that one, cannot reach any other conclusion other than he gained All Heavenly Authority from His Heavenly Father, in the first century. This fact is irrefutable and need little or if any, defense or explanation at all. Then too, added to that fact would be a correct understanding of Hebrews 10:12, 13 and Psalms 110:1 which shows the reign of Jesus can only last, until one special, glorious event...one event. And this event would be this: Jesus' heavenly reign lasts only until his "enemies" are put underneathe "his feet," in destruction. Then, his reign or rule, must end. This is clearly God's Will. (Please compare 1 Corinthians 15:25 .)

(Interestingly, Jehovah's Witnesses mistakenly think the beginning and end of Jesus' heavenly reign, is explained and foretold for us in Hebrews 10:12, 13 . According to that verse, they think Jesus is "awaiting" to rule. They think he is "waiting" to reign, which begins when he cast down his "enemies" and makes them a "stool" for his feet, upon earth. So, Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus' reign actually begins with this event. [Satan cast out of heaven in 1914.] And they think the "placing" of his "enemies" under his feet, also ends his reign, too. [Inherited Adamic "Death" completely removed at the end of 1,000 reign of peace upon earth.] Of course, this does not make good sense, does it? Namely, that Jesus' heavenly reign would begin and end, with the exact same event. I personally don't think so.)

Nevertheless today, Jehovah's Witnesses are still faced with a special, baffling mystery about Jesus' heavenly reign. Remember, the reign of Jesus, his triumphant, glorious rise to incorruption and immortality is heralded, over and over again in the Greek text, and is something that any elementary student of scripture or novice of scripture, knows ever so well. The heavenly reign of Jesus is accepted and known by just about anyone who reads the bible these days. However, there is a problem, that Jehovah's Witnesses have noted, and even the International Bible Students of yesteryear, before them. It has to do with Daniel 7th chapter. How do we explain it, particularly the 7th chapter and verses 13, 14 and alsoverses 21, 22 & 27? Now going back, we note what Jehovah's Witnesses tried to do with the teaching of 1914, is try to figure out just how Daniel 7:13 would be fulfilled, in our modern-day time. You see, Daniel 7:13, 14 (also Revelation 11:15 ) is indeed a modern-day prophecy, to be fulfilled in the "last days," during the life of the mysterious "Small Horn," who of course plays such an intricate role in this particular bible prophecy. (See Daniel 7:11, 21, 25)

Therefore, can you figure such a dilemma out, yourself personally, today, as a critic of the Watchtower Society? Can you, as a critic, as a bible student or scholar, do better than all Jehovah's Witnesses (and International Bible Students), world wide in resolving this apparent conflict in biblical prophecy understanding?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Any insights volunteered or contributed much appreciated.

bjc