Posts by Bugbear

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John Cedar Confronts his Jehovah's Witnesses Elder Father on the UN/NGO scandal

by Scott77 in

my father (who is an elder) hasnt been abusive, but he has reaffirmed that he will be shunning us the moment things become official.

we spent a few days vacation together in picturesque northern croatia before i sat him down and attempted to explain my position.

after i revealed the information on the un/ngo scandal to dad by showing him newspaper articles from 2001, he was initially nauseous and didnt want to hear any more.

Bugbear

Since I left the Borg, my wife is told by the body of elders and CO not to have ”spiritual” conversations with me. This means that every talk about the Bible, WT teachings, Philosophical problems with the Bible, age of humans, questions regarding the WTBTS financial politics a.s.f. is strictly forbidden subjects. If we are eating supper together and (there are only two of us at house nowadays) and some of these or closely related subject comes up, she will take her plate and go to another room saying her prayer and eat her food for her selves.

The sad thing for her is that all of our children are also out. When they are coming home to visit us, she must feel very lonely.

The Watchtower Soc. Is really punishing their own followers with their strange rules. My only worry is that she will suffer emotionally. But I can’t just keep quiet and let her live in a lie. But Terry it is very true Their culture is so ingrained that Truth cannot penetrate it.

Specially after being a JW almost 40 years.

Bugbear

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Sisters need a revolution

by Bugbear in

i am the father of 4 beautiful girls (and two boys).

when we were in and i was an elder.

some of the toughest discussions i had to take were with my girls on the subject paul s letter to the corinthians, and the content is basically:.

Bugbear

I think that this is a hard question for the "borg" to discuss. Thay understand that these word of Paul, is just an ancient reflections of the times when Paul lived. It in fact proves that the word of god needs to be changed. transcribed or whatever you will call it. And of course this is un impossibility for GB. They cannot admit that a lot of the Bible is just crap. If they do so, the Borg will collaps.

Bugbear

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Sisters need a revolution

by Bugbear in

i am the father of 4 beautiful girls (and two boys).

when we were in and i was an elder.

some of the toughest discussions i had to take were with my girls on the subject paul s letter to the corinthians, and the content is basically:.

Bugbear

I am the father of 4 beautiful girls (and two boys). When we were “in” and I was an elder. Some of the toughest discussions I had to take were with my girls on the subject Paul´s letter to the Corinthian’s, and the content is basically:

1 Cor 14:23-25 , 31-35 (shortly: women shall keep in silence and it would be disgraceful for a woman to talk in the Cong.) My girls were very angry with Paul’s letter and could never understand that such a statement reflected “the will of god”. Was this some punishment because of Eve´s sin?

Needless to say I lost these conversations all the time, and none of my girls (or boys) become a JW. (“thanks god!!!?”) To most humans today it is obvious that the word of Paul, is a very severe discrimination against half of the earth’s population. And in fact, it is a violation on the UN act of the “human rights”, and a violation against many modern states local laws.

This is my question to all the “ sisters” out there on this thread: why do you not take up this subject and ask “the Borg” for some “new light” here. There are many more qualified sisters to become elders, then in fact boys (or grown up men!!) In fact statistics shows in many countries that girls often have higher points in their “report cards” then the boys.

Bugbear

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I think they're trying to shake off the Watchtower...

by gingerbread in

jw
friends

we had another couple over this weekend.

after taking a reasonable hike in the woods, we came back to the house, made a fire and began to talk a bit.

these folks are long time friends of ours and are (like us) slowly easing out of the kingdom hall.

Bugbear

I think youre up to something that many of us is speculating in. Of course they want to "take distance" to everything that has happened within the org. Look at wath "Gorby" said on this thread:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/266280/1/A-new-start-Watchtower-renaming-at-HQ-Columbia-Heights#.UoDvz_krdBk

More info on whats happening is interesting. Is the GB divided and has to manage another big scandal, by making two different org.?

Bugbear

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Since leaving the truth, do you celebrate holidays, and does your participation in such bring you happiness?

by Stand for Pure Worship in

jw
friends

i ask this respectfully, and do so after watching a favorite show of mine's season opener which had a new years storyline.

hollywood tends to make movies and television show episodes centered around holiday themes appear warm and blissful.

while i'm thankful to have never participated in such holidays, i can't deny my curiosity about ex-jws that do celebrate.

Bugbear

Being the father of 6 children and a growing nrs. Of grandchildren, were none of them are Jw´s any longer, this is my wife’s nightmare. Every birthday and Christmas when our children and grandchildren is gathering together celebrating Christmas, birthdays and so on - but my wife is not invited, because she is still in. Sometimes I have been invited as “grand old dad” , but refused to go just out of loyalty to my wife who should be home completely alone, wondering what we all are saying about her believes. I can see on her that she is frustrated, and that she of course, would prefer to be with her children and grandchildren. The only one who suffers from this of course is my wife…

I try to easy her pain….

Bugbear

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Interestingly disturbing!

by DS211 in

i work in the medical field and every 2 years i need 24 hours if continuing education to stay licensed.

my deadline is coming up and i am taking the classes this week and next week.

heres the thing, i scheduled them both on sundays and ive procrastinated over this two year renewal period.

Bugbear

@DS211

I think that your spouse have the same problem as most JW,s. They stop think for themselves. They rather prefer to look in some old edition of WT and quote some paragraphs, use that as their brain and relax in thinking I have been talking to God and he gave me the answer.

This is a brain drug and I think that you slowly, step by step, must make you wife understand why God doesn´t speak through the WT. Make it slow and easy, don’t upset her. I have not attended one meeting in many years, but my wife is still and wants to go to “as many meetings” she can. I feel that graduate she have “missed” more and more meetings during the last 2-3 years, and it looks that this doesn’t disturb her to much.

Bugbear

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The Signs of the Declines

by Londo111 in

about the circuit i grew up in:.

last decade, a congregation was dissolved.. last year, about a half a dozen or so congregations meeting in a double-hall got re-orged and it works out to one less congregation.

they received all new territories, bodies of elders, publishers.

Bugbear

The last babtism that my old cong. could achive (about 40 publs.) was 10 years ago when one man with some sort of "diagnose" asked för Babtizm.

Since then, none from "our district" has showed any intrest in becoming a JW. In fact these 40 publishers should have dropped down, if not the Soc. had send piooneers and new people "kicked out" from our newly closed branch office.

Bugbear

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Could this be an evidence that God exists

by His Excellency in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3qezbvn1be.

Bugbear

@adamah

On many points I agree with you. “social Darwinism” Is a dangerous way of thinking. The point from my side was that this is the way that earthly mammal’s has act (and not only mammals) during many thousands of years. It looks merely like it’s just only a function of life. The fact is that only In later days it has been obvious to us that it is not a OK way to behave that way. Humanism has during the last 300-400 hundred years developed to a much higher standard . The ideas of the Bible. Or Aristotle, or Galena, is no longer valid. We accept people that are disabled, have mental deceases or just don’t agree with our viewpoint. (of course not the JW,s who are shunning people that do not accept their way of thinking)… Perhaps you will understand more of this process of human development if you read some of the “enlightenments” writers. One of the thing they were very much concern about was “the evilness” of the “creation”. Reading them carefully you will understand that, they could not understand the way all these things happened to humans. But the evolution theory gives us the fact: it’s white in built in the human (or mammals brain) You hit first, if not you are death.

Bugbear

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Could this be an evidence that God exists

by His Excellency in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3qezbvn1be.

Bugbear

@Madgiant Whooou!

Impressive and well done investigation. Your investigation truly shows the fact of evolution. Those who doesn´t fit, must be taken away. In other words only "the fittest survive"...

Bugbear

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The Signs of the Declines

by Londo111 in

about the circuit i grew up in:.

last decade, a congregation was dissolved.. last year, about a half a dozen or so congregations meeting in a double-hall got re-orged and it works out to one less congregation.

they received all new territories, bodies of elders, publishers.

Bugbear

I see!? So now they are looking for vouluntary carpenters, plumbers, electricians and "gifts" to build all these "new strategies" assembly halls? when they are delivered by these "free voulunters", they could be sold with a great profit. It´s a brilliant business idea.

Bugbear