Posts by Bugbear

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The Good News of The Kingdom - Gods Plan for Salvation through the Ransom (Help Needed)

by objectivetruth in

when i first began studying in order to "make the truth my own", there were a set of scriptures that perplexed me and motivated me to dig deeper.. the scriptures are regarding the resurrection of the inhabitants of sodom & gomorrah.. see jesus words here - matthew 10:15 - "truly i say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of sodom and gomorrah on judgment day than for that city.

" (ezekiel 16:48 / matthew 11:23 / matthew 11:24 / luke 10:12 ).

any time that i brought these scriptures up to jw friends and family they would reply like this "jesus was speaking in hyperbole.. that is why he said it would be more endurable".. i would clarify and show them that it says "will be".

Bugbear

Objectivetruth:

I am sorry to say you have been captured in a mind trap loop. And can´t get out!

You say quote:

I have not personally fully developed my belief on The Ransom & Salvation.. While i do have a fair understanding of the principles of it, I can't say that I understand it perfectly.

And fact is that you never will.

Think for you yourselves. use your own intelligence!.

Ransom? How can an eternal almighty god have to pay a “ransom” to one of his creature (satan)? This by letting his own first borne son sacrificing his life?

Nothing of this makes sense. It is only old antique philosophical idea. No father would ever let other kill his own son as a sacrifice for un imperfect humanity..

Start to think by yourselves, do not let WTBCT literature influence you, nor the Bible

Bugbear

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What is the main "idea" of the bible?

by KateWild in

as jws we were often told what the theme of the bible is, we were taught that it was the promised seed.. i was recently asked the question.... what is the main "idea" of the bible?.

for me the whole purpose of the bible is about control.

it features a god that punishes and rewards.

Bugbear

Phizzy!

You say quote: It is interesting to study the books in this way, we have very little else that has survived from most of the times that the books were written in.

I don’t agree with that. Although the library in Alexandria has been burnt a couple of times (in war), we still have a large amount of papyrus scriptures from the old Greeks, and much above that newly found clayplates/cyliders scrolls, that are much much older than our present bible transcriptions. So for instance we can read Assurbanibals Library, in ORIGINAL – not transcriptions. And translated transcriptions of transcriptions a.s.f.

The thing is that bible textures has been sorted and selected, translated, by many evil men (Athanastasius for instance), The clay plates are still intact and in original. We can translate them and order them in a timeframe, that is far more old then the Bible.

But the texts on these clay plates, its very similar to the thoughts you will find in the Bible. You will find stories about the great kings that reined in that or that time, which good he preferred to warship, the flood that god punished us with.

So the obvious conclusions for those who have been interested in the Bible is that the Bible is not more wholly then for instance Homeros the Illiade and Odysse, or Assurbanibals Library.

It is just more a coincidence that just these letters where taken very serious and keep by antique old mind trapped men as “the word of god”. This is also why the bible contains so many contradictions. Take a look att evilbible.com for instance

Bugbear

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Ex-Jehovah's Witness success story

by Watchtower-Free in

this was just posted to facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/xjwrg3/10152073176825835/?comment_id=10152073536380835&notif_t=group_comment_reply.

by christina jones.

Bugbear

Thank you for your fantastic story. I love it and will be reading it over and over again. It appears that a strong and intelligent mind can master

superstiotion and realese people from mind traps.

Bugbear

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Two Roads... and the one I took made all the difference

by adjusted knowledge in

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introduction to the faith.

ive been a lurker for many years now, and recently created an account to post comments.

someone suggested i should introduce myself and tell my story.

Bugbear

Adjusted

Welcome to the forum. Your story is similar to thousends of people here.

Bugbear

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GB And Change: Lessons From Soviet History

by metatron in

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i read an interesting book - "spymaster" by tennent bagley in which he offers a biography of a senior consultant to the kgb, based on long interviews with a man who was once his enemy (sergey kundrashev).

i believe the book proves some powerful insights into the workings of secretive totalitarian cults.. there are many parallels between the two organizations: they were both born out of 1914 events, they addressed each other as comrade/brother, they encouraged youth to become "pioneers/red pioneers", they were started as very individualistic (revolutionaries) -were then taken over and structured by an amoral thug-dictator (stalin/rutherford) , worshipped the "party/organization", emphasized collective thought over the individual, and ended up ruled by an elderly politboro/governing body - who were forced to contend with disruptive change.. .

but here's where the similarities get interesting:.

Bugbear

Metadron

Very interesting thoughts. The parallels are obvious. First Idealism, then Power, greed, corruption, …

The pattern is valid almost everywhere. Very few of the idealistic sort, comes into power, they are to nice and weak. But those who can, often play with un hidden agenda. And they are smart enough, to fool everyone in their neighborhood. You have discovered one of the tricky thing being a human..

Bugbear

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Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?

by Juan Viejo2 in

against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.

he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.

i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.

Bugbear

quoting neverendingjourney:

Let's not forget that the men on the GB won a decades-long competition designed to reward the most loyal company men and status quo seekers. They've been selected for their aversion to change. Had they demonstrated the inclination to think creatively or shown independent thinking, they would have been weeded out at the CO or ambitious young Bethelite level.

This is exactly how totalitarian states are built. remember communism, Stalinism, Maoism, Pol Pot, Hitler and some euoporean states during 1800-1900 centuries. "rewarding the most loyal". scratch my back, and Ill scratch yours....

The wholly spirits is actually working....

Bugbear

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Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?

by Juan Viejo2 in

against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.

he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.

i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.

Bugbear

Juan

It looks that your friend has dropped some thoughts from the very high ranking leaders up in the Borg. Why? When you are commercially introducing a new product on the market, you must do some market research first. If your product becomes a flop, and you have failed in doing this market research, you will be ruined and has none to blame.

The WTBS, is nothing more than a big sales org. with high ambitions on profit. Their old product has passed best before time, and the old dubs has done their job but not very good. They must be kicked out and be replaced with fewer and younger dubs. with much more energy.

So you (and I guess), your other friends that obviously have had the same mail, are giving the soc. A free market research. The GB it sending out an antenna to listen to the waves and they are of course doing it on a net like this, where they can expect a candid answer. Those who are in don’t dare criticize anything that that they suspect comes from a higher level.

I´ll bet that a few of the members of the GB is looking on this thread right now, hoping to get some indication witch way to choose. The wholly spirit has been silent to long now.

Bugbear

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14 Minutes and you are not a Servant of Jehovah

by JT in

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last night we were discussing the "new light" that was revealed to the gb recently from jehovah.

many of us recall all the co talks and elder parts based on the bible text of how a true servant of jah would not be "inactive or irregular" for years one was required to have at least one hour to be considered a servant of jah.. as the sec in my hall i recall so many times calling up friends to get thier time and hearing them break crying cause they didn't have 60min only about 45min- and they knew that it meant they were not servants of jah.

now with the new light from jw a person with only 14 minutes of time will now be disqualified as being a servant of jah.. it is amazing how many jw will view this arrangement as a "loving provision from jah" instead of realizing that thier service to thier god has been reduced to whether they get 15min or 14 min.

Bugbear

I like this thread. I think that JT nailed the very question. Do we have the right to take away "the wholly thing" in a men/whomans hearth. Could it break her/him down mentally?

then alwaythinking:

A man who refuses to think is a fool,
A man who can't think is a idiot,
A man who is afraid to think is a coward.....

I think it is allowed to be a coward for a 60 years old lady... But for the rest of us???

Bugbear

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Is honesty the best policy?

by LouBelle in

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i ask because many a time being honest and telling the truth, even with tact is not met well - in my experience.. in the last couple of days i went for an interview with a company and when asked what my current package was i was honest and told the truth.

they came back with the exact same offer - i then asked if we could negotiate considering my experience blah blah blah - they didn't both to respond and after three emails and asking for some sort of curtesy reply, i got a very offish response.

a collegue i work with went for the same interview, lied about what she earns and they offered her a higher salary and were happy to negotiate even higher.

Bugbear

If you are or have been a JW, don´t tell your supposed employer that. They will never consider you for any job, that is my experience.

But truth could be expressed in different ways. Dont call a person "a layer", he/she will never listen to what you have to say. Tell him insted that mayby your are a little bit uninformed about these matters.

Bugbear

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UNITY vs CONFORMITY - discuss.

by disposable hero of hypocrisy in

i've read the walsh trial that indicates the societies stance of ' unity at all costs, even if we're wrong ' but that sounds more like conformity to me.

so how do other religions or movements justify the range of beliefs within their respective movements?

for example, the born again movement, a massive range of beliefs, but they don't insist on conformity.

Bugbear

In Scandinavia, the leader (pastor) of a big Pentecostal movement, with over 20.000 people, just a week ago said that he know has turned into Catholicism. He has been the strong leader of this group for over 30 years and 19.999 people just sat down in their chairs and gazed with their jaws down looking like a birdhouse.

This Pastor was considered as a very strong leader and believer, and in many ways he was the reason for this movement to exist. Should all these 19999, now ask him if they should convert into Catholicism? (In fact I know e few of Lutheran evangelic priests in Sweden, who also has converted into Catholicism.)

Obviously people with a religious mind are not very Shure of what they do believe.(cognitive dissonance). But they are very interested in having the feeling of being in contact with god. Believing that a god will listen to their prayer, believe that god will protect them against their fear, violence, being hurt or death. It gives their brains enough, endorphins and the security that you can se in the eyes of a salvaged Pentecost people.

But the Idea of religion, god, spirits, ghosts, is mind blocking, and a “virus for the brain” (Peter Boghassian” .

Bugbear