Posts by Bugbear

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Convention Hotel "list"- Free rooms for JW/WT "dignitaries"?

by Darth Fader The Sequel in

in all my years of being a jw, one of the more annoying aspects to me was each year sitting through the service meeting review part about what was expected (see: demanded) behavior and policies that the rest of us rank and file were ordered to comply with to attend a district convention.

the minutia in this part and the over-reaching set of rules were enough to drive me into a lather of rage at the audacity of these people thinking they could and should control every single aspect of my attendance to this "free" and voluntary convention.

from what clothing i can wear on my trip to and from the convention city, to what clothing i can wear before and after each day of the convention, to what i should be doing after each day instead of eating dinner and enjoying some good times with good friends, to insisting on wearing a ridiculous name badge, to what i should eat for lunch and where i should eat lunch and what is the appropriate container to keep my lunch in, to .................. the list is endless!!!!!!!!

Bugbear

Well, I remember from back in the 70-ties, when I was an elder and had my daily work on a traveling agency, I was asked by the soc. To organize two chartered convention tours to US. They wanted me free and voluntary to charter two aircrafts, hotels and bus transfer for about 200 persons. When calculating these “trips” I thought that it be normal to calc. 80% utilization for the air ticket and also for the bus and hotel rooms. The “soc.” On the destination should organize “special events” on the destination. When presenting my figures for the trip I came up with a sum per person that looked quite fair, and reasonably also for those who weren’t rich. But the CO,s and DO,s at that time “corrected me” and told me to recalculate using normal IATA ticket prize, tourist class. The prize went up to the double, and when presented in the Congs. Many of the “friends” said that I must have made a lot of money, on my work whit the socs. Traveling agency. They were disappointed on ME I was never allowed to explain, why and hove “my figures” was made.

BUGBEAR

25

Hello All

by Jeremiah1958 in

hi to everyone, my name is jerry, i am 56 and i live in tralee, kerry ireland.

i will not bore you with the all too familiar details, suffice it to say i was a prime candidate for indoctrination/ brainwashing.

the surprising aspect is that my wife, a staunch catholic started a study soon after i did.

Bugbear

Welcome Jeremiah!

My situation was similar to you, but I have moved a bit further, all of my family is out now, except my wife to whom I have been married in 40 years. She doesn´t want to listen to my apostases junk still. But I can see in her eyes that she knows that I am right.

Bugbear

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How long have you known TTATT and continued to participate?

by LostGeneration in

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friends

i continue to be stunned by posters reporting on the convention, lamenting the convention, complaining about going in serve-us and meetings, and yet continuing to participate in these activities.. a simple question.

how long have you done these things, fully knowing it is absolute bullshit?.

i couldn't handle it for more than six months before i basically outed myself.

Bugbear

BU2B

I must say your situation was very like mine, only that mine occured 10-15 years ago. I can tell you All of our family (except my wife) is more happy now when we all left the org.

Formely Elder

Bugbear

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The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

by booker-t in

i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

Bugbear

Booker-t

The questions your coworker asks you, is very relevant. All these questions (unanswered) will probably help a lot of people to “come out” from a world of superstitions thoughts. They will cleanse the world from harmful, dangerous ideas that has caused the world so much pain. The thought that our god is more powerful than yours has driven endless of people into war. (although it’s obviously an Biblical thought).

I myself “came out” after 20 years of struggle with my own conscience. But in my back head, rumbled always questions like why do certain people only live a few days others only some week, then they starve to death.

Did god also create bacteria, viruses, earthquakes, greed, cancer.

How could god kill all humans in a flood except for 8 other people, when he/she was actually the father of them all?

Bugbear

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What's your personality type? Myers-Briggs test

by frankiespeakin in

take this 72 yes/no question test to find out.. http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp.

Bugbear

ENTJ

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How many educated adults are being converted into the Jehovah's Witnesses nowadays?

by EdenOne in

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friends

the other day i was sitting in one of those meetings where the public talk was absolutely mind-dumbing.

by minute 5 i couldn't take it anymore paying further attention to what was being said, so my mind wandered.

i looked around to my own kh and started to notice something.

Bugbear

To my knowledge zero!

But I have heard of people who when they have fallin in love with a hard core JW, of the opposite sex, have forgoten all what they have learned in High scool or in the University, and converted into Jah dubs. Love makes your mind twisted and you cannot think clear. I think that this is one of biggest reason to become JW.

Bugbear

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Could the WT have paid of large loans when it sold NY properties?

by StephaneLaliberte in

it seems that everyone is taking for granted that the sociaty has made 1 billion in profit.

could anyone tell me why it would not be a posibility that the society had a large number of mortgages attached to these properties?

wouldn't that explain the latest monney grab from the congregations?.

Bugbear

Sadelder, you say: They have an aversion to outsiders knowing their business, mortgages require financial statements.

I do agree with you 100%. The thing is that any bank willing to give you a loan, wants i financial statement. That also requires open bookholding. This the WBTS has not been able to provide to any eccept the members / directors of threasure dept. and the GB. Therefore, where the REAL accounts are or where the bills are hided is the biggest secret ever, to reveal. I wouldn´t be suprised if some of the real "high ranked" JW:s, will be contaigion with bad conscience, and jump of the org. Specially if he feels that the others do not have ful faith in him. It must very stressing to know about all the trips to Schweiz, Cayman Island a.s.f and understand that someting is very rotten "ins the state of WTBS"..

Bugbear

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The end of Watchtower in the western world ?

by cookiemaster in

hey guys!

i was just thinking, with all the new promising stem cell research and trials, many scientists predict that in a decade or two, advanced biotech will make possible to extend human lifespan considerably and soon after indefinitely.

also, access to vast amounts of information is becoming ubiquotous throughout the world and it seems that it's increasingly harder to keep people ignorant and in the dark.

Bugbear

My question is why? when we literary live in a hell, quote:

biotech will make possible to extend human lifespan considerably

Life over 60 its just a prolonging of suffer and pain

Bugbear

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Whats with TROLLS posting on this forum ,dont they just expose themselves as less than intelligent?

by smiddy in

i mean to say it only takes a couple of posts to identify a troll , what do they hope to acheive ?

they only convince me, how stupid they are, with not a thinking cell in their brain .. do they think its another avenue to get fs hours in ?

do they think their going to convince one of us to go back to the kh.?

Bugbear

Many years ago when I was an elder, I remember that the Soc. Came out with a letter to all elders that they should avoid partaking in local public debates. This since a high ranked JW, made an catastrophic achievement in public broadcasted debate on the subject “could JW:s be right”, this in Canada. All elders where recommended to leave all invitations to their branch office, and these branch office brothers there where usually saying no thank you, when asked.

I have speculated in why the soc. Is so negative to public debates. Public debates must be o golden opportunity to carry out the message.

The reason is as far as I have understood this. The GB knows that the soc.s argument are indeed very infirm. In fact they are ludicrous. And if they use their argument in public with a good journalist as questioner, they will only lose more members. We can often see on this site, when those “trolls” are arguing for some of the soc.s ideas that they really don’t know what they are talking about. They are often very uninformed or just stupid. Most of them are also very uneducated. They usually withdraw their arguments. It looks like they are testing the soc.s argument, with someone they knew could give them the other sides viewpoint. They of course also know that many of us on this site have broken all these arguments, about the bibles wholeness, and the impossibility of the creation 6000 years ago. And they would like to hear these arguments in secret. (They cannot of course ask their elders)

So let us not give up. This site is increasing day by day, we are not afraid of taking a part of a public debate..

Bugbear

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How long have you been an online "apostate?"

by Faithful Witness in

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friends

i really do not like that word (apostate), as used to represent someone who decided to remove themselves, or was removed from the influence of the watchtower... but i am curious.. how long have websites like these been in existence?

when did this movement begin?.

personally, how long did it take for you to dare exploring information outside the watchtower publications, about jehovah's witnesses (especially online)?.

Bugbear

I have been a part of this community for over one year. In my case I started to doubt some of the teachings from WTBS, as early as 30 years ago, but kept quiet. 15 years ago I resigned as an elder but attended meeting out of loyalty to my family. Of course the “friends” was worried over my behavior and I got a personal visit from the CO. We had been god friends for more than 30 years. And of course this visit was quite difficult for him as well. Resigning as an elder made it possibly for me to take up my university studies again, and after 3 years study I was quite sure that I had right in my doubts. I therefore expressed all I know about ancient history, the bibles reliability (and mistakes) and I also pointed out the absolute absurdness in the moral Philosophy that goes along with the Bible.

The CO responded,; this you must have heard on the internet?..

In fact, I had not seen anything on the internet about JWfacts or other sites like this. I was totally unaware of their existence. So I said to my old friend all these facts you can find here in my personal library (old books), and if you want we could visit together the old library in our university to check all the figures and facts that are present there. Of course he refused (I haven’t seen him since then).

But what he said, you must have found all this on the internet, made me curious. And I started to google on the subject JW. It must be over 1000 of “friends” that wants to share theirs experience..

Bugbear