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Since man is unable to create life does this mean

by Crazyguy in

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does this mean possible a creator did or does exist.

there is plenty of evidence of a slow evolutionary changes over millions of years and i do not disagree with this.

but again that fact that mankind can not create a living creature from scratch mean there must be a creator?

Bugbear

First of all, put yourselves a question: What is life?

Is a DNA chain life? Is a virus crystal life? When becomes a chain of atoms enough complicated to become a molecule? And when is that molecule life?

Is it when It can replicate it selves? Or does it must have a system to breathing, water, oxygen. Is it necessary that it is built on carbon/chain/oxygen?

I think that scientists are still not agreeing on the definition. The waste numbers of different species, from viruses, bacterial, worms, parasites, insects, mammals, birds and fishes, on different places of the earth, shows us that a very long time of evolution, has been going on. We cannot tell exactly how the very first DNA molecule was formed But we know that certain circumstances made the DNA structure (if that is life) able to recreate or transformed it selves to new structures.

Some scientist claim that the can make DNA changes to new lifeforms. Others say that this is not creating new life, just cooping others lifeforms. (remember the sheep dolly?) Others says that viruses constantly reshape themselves, into new forms, much more dangerous to us than the old ones.

Sorry that I haven’t been able to answer your questions, just lying up new ones, but I think that is our part of life----trying to understand.

Bugear

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Similarities between JW leadership and totalitarian org.

by Bugbear in

similarities between, jw:ism, stalinism, putinism, and mullahism, popeism and maoism..

all these leaders has been elected by un elite group controlling big values in form of real estate, bank account, enthusiastic voluntary working task forces, almost willingly to die for their leaders.

the workers (slave class), is never ever supposed to question the leaders decisions.

Bugbear

Vidiot

god point "authoritarian regime" lol

buggis

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Similarities between JW leadership and totalitarian org.

by Bugbear in

similarities between, jw:ism, stalinism, putinism, and mullahism, popeism and maoism..

all these leaders has been elected by un elite group controlling big values in form of real estate, bank account, enthusiastic voluntary working task forces, almost willingly to die for their leaders.

the workers (slave class), is never ever supposed to question the leaders decisions.

Bugbear

Yes I have red Michel Foucault. In fact he was a french teacher in Uppsala University, before he went to Sorbonne in Paris where i wrote his famous thesis. Its a pity that we couldn´t have this published in Uppsala. I must however admit that I didn´t understood much of his reason...

My mainly subjecs is whitin the area of History on Ideas and science and Theoretical philosofy. I haven´t even yet achived my PhD, but was thinking that I would like to finished that before I die. (I am almost 70 years of age!?)

Thanks for tipping me

Bugbear

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Similarities between JW leadership and totalitarian org.

by Bugbear in

similarities between, jw:ism, stalinism, putinism, and mullahism, popeism and maoism..

all these leaders has been elected by un elite group controlling big values in form of real estate, bank account, enthusiastic voluntary working task forces, almost willingly to die for their leaders.

the workers (slave class), is never ever supposed to question the leaders decisions.

Bugbear

I am only preparing for an University Essay (30 p.) to be published when finished. Dont know when.

Bugbear

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Similarities between JW leadership and totalitarian org.

by Bugbear in

similarities between, jw:ism, stalinism, putinism, and mullahism, popeism and maoism..

all these leaders has been elected by un elite group controlling big values in form of real estate, bank account, enthusiastic voluntary working task forces, almost willingly to die for their leaders.

the workers (slave class), is never ever supposed to question the leaders decisions.

Bugbear

Similarities between, JW:ism, Stalinism, Putinism, and Mullahism, Popeism and Maoism.

All these leaders has been elected by un elite group controlling big values in form of real estate, bank account, enthusiastic “voluntary” working task forces, almost willingly to die “for their leaders”.

The workers (slave class), is never ever supposed to question the leaders decisions.

If the elected top leader, (instead of god), fails to increase the elite groups intentions with regard to money, real estate, and numbers of people within the slave class, he will be “taken away” with very brutal or harsh methods.

The real truth about the organization and how they came into power must with all means be gagged down and never ever be revealed to their members.

All information about economy, assets, secret service capacity, and control over the masses are hidden and only available to the top leaders.

All negative information are stopped or hushed, and the members are not supposed to speak amongst them about it.

All new light is only coming from the leaders controlled inform channels. And every other informal channel are strictly forbidden, for the members to listen to or take a part of. If they do so they prefer to stay anonymous or undercover.

Is there anyone who can find even more similarities? I would like to add also new Ideas about these kinds of leadership, to an essay I am working on..

Bugbear

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Female Perspective about WTS, marital relationship & control

by Muddy Waters in

despite my user name, am female.

i was not born-in, began studying when i was around 20, am 50 damn years old now and have spent almost the last 30 years in that stupid religion.

but here are some observations, make of them what you will.

Bugbear

Muddy Waters

I totaly agree with you but there is other aspects of this male/female questions. Here is comment I just left on another thread:

Interesting thread….

In my case I faded and Dfd. Over 15 years ago. But my wife still in. I think she knows about the TTATT, but doesn’t want to speak about it (cognitive dissonance?).. Here is my theory about why…

There is a small difference between males and females… Females know that they are responsible for given birth to children!. They often also understand what is expected from them, to raise these children and keep them alive till they can take care of themselves. This is of course an overwhelming task for a single mum. Therefore her first whishes is to find security. This in a cave with a man or in a female cooperative !!! Unsecure women know that men can´t be trusted…They need social security and lots of “friends” that they can trust. The “sisters” in any congregation offers gladly this support. This naturally if they can have the same support in respond. This pattern of “sisterhood” is not only valid amongst humans. You could trace this amongst almost any mammals. Elephants, dohlphins, lions, chimpanzees and humans.

The congregations offers a secure place with strict rules. Therefore it is life important that you keep to the rules, behave like your “sisters” or mums tells you, keep your veil on, your long black dress on, don´t wear tight pants…..

This is something I have been ponder about during 20 years being the father of 4 marvelous girls..

Any have a comment?

Bugbear

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Who leaves first, the husband or wife?

by snugglebunny in

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when it comes to a simple matter of no longer believing the teachings of jw's, it appears to me that it's more common for the husband to make the first move to leave the religion.

Bugbear

Interesting thread….

In my case I faded and Dfd. Over 15 years ago. But my wife still in. I think she knows about the TTATT, but doesn’t want to speak about it (cognitive dissonance?).. Here is my theory about why…

There is a small difference between males and females… Females know that they are responsible for given birth to children!. They often also understand what is expected from them, to raise these children and keep them alive till they can take care of themselves. This is of course an overwhelming task for a single mum. Therefore her first whishes is to find security. This in a cave with a man or in a female cooperative !!! Unsecure women know that men can´t be trusted…They need social security and lots of “friends” that they can trust. The “sisters” in any congregation offers gladly this support. This naturally if they can have the same support in respond. This pattern of “sisterhood” is not only valid amongst humans. You could trace this amongst almost any mammals. Elephants, dohlphins, lions, chimpanzees and humans.

The congregations offers a secure place with strict rules. Therefore it is life important that you keep to the rules, behave like your “sisters” or mums tells you, keep your veil on, your long black dress on, don´t wear tight pants…..

This is something I have been ponder about during 20 years being the father of 4 marvelous girls..

Any have a comment?

Bugbear

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Please Focus on the Bible

by terrypike in

hi people, may i firstly thank those who have responded to to my intro article, i am replying to you all as a new topic because the direct messaging is not working for me at the moment so i can clarify my perspective on bible study.

yes there are many arguments that are put forward to demonstrate for example that the bible has been composed of numerous preexisting creation story's ect, my focus is to give the bible the same opportunity to defend itself as anyone reasonably expects if charged with some crime they are not guilty of.. i find for example the account of jesus response when questioned about the divorce certificate 'but it was not so in the beginning' confirms that moses allowed changes to be made to the original, that said consider also the religious traditions moses people had been exposed to, the story of the god enki who seduced even his own grandchildren and the well known incest of the egyptian royalty, given the genetic cost, are such practices any more right now than they were then?

communities that practice close relative marriages today are well documented for there higher risk of numerous health problems so how would you find moses on that basis, guilty or not guilty as jesus did because he understood why moses took the creation story's of other cultures and gave his people there own creation story that taught them to avoid the general pagan practice of incest.before looking any deeper at moses creation story may i also ask the question why does jesus knowing that god promised he would never again destroy the world by a flood as he did in noah's day say 'as in the days of noah ..the flood came and took them all away' so what did jesus actually mean mt 24:.

Bugbear

Perry…

I am not aware of the existence of god. But I must say that I am aware of the non- existence of any god or goddesses. The proof for my theory is very simple, if god is good and merciful, gentle and forgiving, loving , how can he let his bellowed children suffer on this earth. How can he/she? Just leave his children to slaughter one another. How can he create viruses, cancer, earth cracks, tsunamis and so on and on and on…….

The absence of gods was discussed from the 1600 th centuries in the so called enlightenment period. And it is still difficult for humans to understand fully the consequences of this insight. Religious leaders, from most of the existing cultural or “great” religions are scared to death that their followers in a greater extend will understand these consequences. These “black coat, darkness men” will lose all their respect, all influence, all their bank accounts, and all their prestige, when the rest of the world will find them as frauds.

Humans are predators. And as predators on the topmost level, regardless of what “wholly book” we prefer to believe in, we kill and slaughter each other in a scale that is frightening.

My dogs, my cats, my sheep’s, seems to have a much higher standard of moral and ethics, then , the “average” humans that interpret The “wholly books”, or listen to those who claim that the know the will of god.

Bugbear

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Beards are evil, but do you know why?

by free2beme in

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as a witness, i knew several men who attempted to grow beards.

when they did, and attended meetings, it did not take long to be talked to by elders and told, "as spiritual men, they should not display an outward form of rebellion.

" why was this a form of rebellion?

Bugbear

This with a beard and or a moustache…

I remember an elderly meeting after an assembly where the Co, s and the area overseers where participating. I think we were over 50 elders, and the report from the income and comments of the success from the assembly were discussed when the area oversees suddenly took up a BIG problem. One of the elders, a person I did know personally, over 70 years of age, grey haired and very gentlemanly dressed, had grown a moustache?!! A little grey very sober, even sometimes very difficult to observe moustache that looked very nicely upon him. The Co,s and the area overseer, raged upon him, and the atmosphere in the meeting was totally a disaster. Nobody dared to take the old man’s part. But after the meeting several of us other elderly contacted him and some of us even gave him a hug, encourage him to even grow the moustache greater. This was in the midst of the 80,ths. I still feel ashamed, that I didn´t stood up and defended the man that I in fact admired a lot, and oftened, invited to my own congs.s to held speeches.

Bugbear

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Beard

by zeb in

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im growing my beard.

so there!

Bugbear

This with a beard and or a moustache…

I remember an elderly meeting after an assembly where the Co, s and the area overseers where participating. I think we were over 50 elders, and the report from the income and comments of the success from the assembly were discussed when the area oversees suddenly took up a BIG problem. One of the elders, a person I did know personally, over 70 years of age, grey haired and very gentlemanly dressed, had grown a moustache?!! A little grey very sober, even sometimes very difficult to observe moustache that looked very nicely upon him. The Co,s and the area overseer, raged upon him, and the atmosphere in the meeting was totally a disaster. Nobody dared to take the old man’s part. But after the meeting several of us other elderly contacted him and some of us even gave him a hug, encourage him to even grow the moustache greater. This was in the midst of the 80,ths. I still feel ashamed, that I didn´t stood up and defended the man that I in fact admired a lot, and

oftened, invited to my own congs.s to held speeches.

Bugbear