Posts by Bugbear

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Something funny about Armageddon

by evilApostate in

years ago, when i was still a publisher, i had a very interesting conversation with a lady in the field service.

we were talking about punishment for sin and so on.

she believed in hellfire.

Bugbear

evilApostate

15-20 years ago before I faded, I was proud telling those hell-scared people that my god, never ever would punish them and their children for eternity in hell with burning fire a.s.f. God was good caring humble and loving his children and wanted all of them to live. And then I realized that If they didn´t do what I was telling them, they were just about to be exposed another hell in Armageddon within short. So the Jwdubs are proud that their God didn´t make hell, but that he will fix it later….

The philosophical flows in the logic are catastrophic. And I wonder how any intelligent human can believe or even loving a God that shows this fallacy. The fact (according to the bible) is that I has already proven to be a mad God in drowning all humans and animals except for 8 persons in a flood about 4300 years ago……and other horrible thing…..

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Why blame the Watchtower?

by deegee in

if god has a relationship with every christian and every christian is praying to him then wouldn't he tell every christian the same thing so that christians would agree on matters of doctrine and practice?.

it is certainly puzzling why sincere and devout people equally seek god's will and pray to him yet they all come up with different answers so that there are approximately 40,000 different christian denominations (center for the study of global christianity (csgc) at gordon-conwell theological seminary).. before his death, jesus called for agreement among his followers rather than division (john 17:20-21).

he declared that he would send the holy spirit to guide persons into all the truth (john 14:16 - 17, 26, john 15:26, john 16:7,13 - 15).. so shouldn't anyone who has a relationship with jesus, reads the bible, and listens to the holy spirit come to the same conclusions as others who are doing the same thing?.

Bugbear

Deegee

I think you have nailed a quite interesting question but not really hit the very deep of the answers. You ask which of the 40.000 different “Christian” faiths are wrong and who is right, expand your questions to the millions of interpreter of Islamic, Buddhist, Hindus and other. Why not include the Greek God Zeus, or Oden Tor or the myriads of African different tribe “believes”. Are you sure that everyone else is wrong but the Christians?

True is that all these representations of “religion”,,,do pray to their God. Everyone claim that they have been heard….That God is with them.?? Everyone claim to have the answers on some wholly book, or some claims to have a deeper feeling, a closer contact with “the higher” spheres which only they can understand. With that claim goes also a responsibility to really take the consequence of their preaching. When they have found to be wrong, none of them step down and admit, that they have lead their people on the wrong track. Not one admits to be a liar, not one will step down and lose his position as a “father”, priest, pope, or Prophet. Human greed for power is immense. With the power also goes an economical factor. If they can control their followers mind, they also often can control their wallets.

It´s a self-spinning wheel. A perpetum Mobile…. And very few people have the guts or knowledge, or the strength to stop this wheel… and start to ask the right questions: where are your proof, where are your logics, where are the findings that can support your claim.

Interesting thread …..

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Shunning & separation from family

by CJxfarmx in

i was raised in jw as a child.

my dad was a jw my mom was not, they are divorced now.

i was never baptized or anything but i stopped going once i had the choice at age 12. now i am 41 and my dad will not associate with me, my wife or my 3 kids.

Bugbear

CJxfarmX

I´ m sorry for you. Not having a father and not been able to show your children their grandpa…must be painful and stressful. But there is a question that rose up.:? Did you ever do the preaching work? Were you ever recognized as a JW? Did your father ever cared for you before the separation. If your answer on these quest. are No…then your father has no scriptural reason to shun you. He is just another blatant idiot to men that doesn’t understand what he actually ought to do…… Taking care of his child. Many men just run away from their responsibility and try to hide behind a façade of working hard, doing the preaching work, don´t want their congregation to know “mistake” from earlier time…Meaning that you “father” is nothing but a real asshole. In fact he is not worth your or your children’s attention at all… These men frequently appears both inside the org and outside…. I must admit that I became a father at the age of 20…a boy…. I was not a good father always trying to avoid my duties as a father….this because my immaturity. Now at the age of 70 and my son at the 50, it has become much much better… We have both left the org and to day my son is my pride (I think he is a little bit proud over his father to)

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This should make most reasonable people stop believing in the Bible as infallible

by ILoveTTATT2 in

i think that few parts of the bible can make you atheist or at least agnostic or at least kill your belief in the bible as infallible or the work of a loving god as comparing 2 samuel 24 with 1 chronicles 21. most people focus on the 1st verse, but there are at least 4 major and 1 minor contradiction in the chapter (they are parallel accounts).in the new world translation, 2 samuel 24 starts like this:.

24 and again the anger of jehovah came to be hot against israel, when one incited david against them, saying: “go, take a count of israel and judah.” .

notice that it is an impersonal "one" who incited david to do the census.

Bugbear

ILoveTTATT 2

Interesting thread. I am very glad that some take up the subject of the parallel accounts. I think there are more of them than an average JW dubs know about. In fact I think 1/3 of the whole OT, its only copies of copies of copies… When the old Hebrews wrote these “scrolls” they used only what was available in the local synagogue. In fact many of these copiers were illiterate men that just copied what their eyes saw. They could not even read what they were copying. And another fact is that they were coping from SCROLLS….not codex format. Which made it almost impossible to check the other synagogue scrolls. The amount of wholly scrolls grew by the time, and nobody had access to the “original texts”. And the masses of text scrolls grow…. When Athanasious about 350 a.C. decided what was within Canonic scriptures….. He had no Idea that most of them were only copies and copies and copies (and in many cases wrong translations) from Hebrew, Aramaic and Coptic scriptures. It was impossible for him to read all the scrolls and find that they were exactly the same texts (but of course with all the misinterpreting’s and wrong spelling) the “copiers” made.

There are faculties’ in many universities that are trying (with modern computer technology) to find out exactly which texts are copied. And on most universities there are available computer solutions to find out if you are just coping another text when you are writing an Essay. Of course you are dismissed if you try.

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An old Kingdom hall now a church?

by HereIgo in

have any of you heard of anything like this.

i remember an ex jw from ohio taking video of a former kingdom hall that is now a church.

apparently the society sold it to the church.

Bugbear

This thing selling KH, AH branch offices to the ”devil” is nothing new: here in Sweden I can recall at least about 4 selling of, to other “churches”

Ex. 1.: Branch office in Jakobsberg (Stockholm) sold to the Swedish State church (Lutheran) in the beginning of 1970. (motivation: they were the only one that had the money)..

Ex 2. Assembly Hall in Jakobsberg sold a few years later to a Muslim cong. (motivation: it was to costly to maintain.)

Ex.3 Orebro congregation KH…New build…sold to another congregation of Islam. (Motivation ( they wanted the money to establish a much larger KH hall in Orebro with a better location…)

Ex.4 Branch office in Arboga sold to the local community for about §7.000.000 , now a fugitive camp, with about 100 % Muslim population…

The examples could go on and on and on

The success work of preaching and the societies success is very well known over the world…

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Introduction

by robrog8999 in

jw
friends

hello all.... i am new here so i figured i'd make a quick post introducing myself and giving a brief intro as to who i am and what i'm here for... as well as to hopefully meet others.. so, i made a profile and in it i gave a pretty detailed explanation as to my intent here and exactly why i decided to participate in the boards.

in case you don't read it, i'll give a brief summary.

the name is robert.

Bugbear

Hello Robrog 8999..

Welcome to this forum. You are obviously a truth searcher. That is admirable and shows that you are an intelligent person. But if you really want to find the truth, I think the first task is to make an introspection of yourselves. This meaning that you´ll have to find out your motive and how your basic knowledge of moral, bible issues, understanding of philosophical ideas came about.

You are brought up in Columbus Ohio. What if you were born in Calcutta India? or Bangkok? Or South Africa? Would you have been a Christian then? Would you ever notice that 1 billion Christians believe (questionable), that some old rolls/codex written in ancient greek or Hebrew letters are THE WORD FROM GOD. (Or at least some of our interpretations)….

It looks like you think that the Bible itself….can deliver the water of truth, if it is only explained to you. So I suggest that you take up serious Bible studies and take a few courses with real Bible scholars. I can recommend Prof. Bart Ehrman, from Chapel Hill, N.Carolina. He can add a lot of knowledge to your Bible questions. He is specialist in “new testam” historical facts, and it astonishing that very few from those who think they have the “KNOWLEDGE” never refer to Bart…. Look him up in youtube…

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BIG news Trump...His lewd conversation leaks.

by James Mixon in

jw
friends

if he get pass this, america deserve him...... conversation 10 years ago..

Bugbear

From a European viewpoint…

Having a man with obviously a mental capacity of a 13-15 years of teenager boy age, with his finger on the A-bomb button, scares me the hell, I can´t sleep at night. It´s even worse than if some GB members should be elected to the precedence of the US.

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ls homosexuality really normal?

by atomant in

l know animals do it but their animals.they dont live by a moral code.the thought of 2 men going for it is not normal.what are your thoughts?.

Bugbear

Atomate

Sex is not a sin. Sex is something necessary to keep life going on. All creatures do have sex. Some are homosexual, some transgender, some Bisexual? There is nothing wrong with sex, unless your sex -desires hurt or harm your partner. I agree that some sex acts ex. pedophilia, violent Sadism, rape and so forth will harm your partner….therefore not acceptable. But as long as both or more agree fully….we shouldn´t interfere with what other people do in their privacy…

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Are Gods true worshippers on Earth today? If they are not JWs then who are they?

by Formerbrother in

is there gods true worshipers on earth today as jesus said there would be?

if they are not jws then who are they?.

who else comes close to being gods true followers today?.

Bugbear

Anders….

On the spot

I believe in Elvis, I know he´s alive. I think I heard a message in one of all the old records I have. And my Elvis records proof that he exist….There must be more secret and hidden messages in the other records, can anyone give me a contribution so that I can continue in listening to the other records. Then I promise I´ll give you all the answers you want. But You must obey me and trust in my special knowledge…

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I want to understand violence

by Chook in

tell me your thoughts ?.

Bugbear

Chook…

Violence is just a part of life. A part of life as, love, hate, emotions, feelings, sex, eating, and sleeping. You can see violence in almost every creature. Creatures like viruses living on cells, snakes eating mouse, insects sucking blood they need to lay their eggs in. Mammals hunting other mammals. When it comes to humans, violence is not only a food and digestions matter. It is a part of dominating other humans specially the females. Even among monkeys, apes and some other mammals, it is important, for especially male to foresee, that his DNA passes on to new generations. They could kill any other male that challenge their status, and this has been done in the whole world ever since life begun millions of years ago. In fact some hormones (testosterone, adrenaline, nor-adrenaline) in your and my body trigger violence from us just to protect ourselves from being the victim of other creature’s violent behavior. So violence is a selves going clock (a perpetum mobile).

I my selves has a small sheep farm, and I know that when a wolf pack comes along, they will start having fun whit my sheep’s. That is to kill as many of them they can without eating anything. This till they notice that I have entered the field with a shotgun. Then they disappear quickly to my neighbors sheep fields……

I myself don’t eat sheep meat. But I can do with a small piece of salmon….