Posts by Bugbear

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Those married to "still in" JWs

by NikL in

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kind of got into it with my jw wife last night for the first time in a long time.. i try to not engage in conversations about doctrinal matters unless she asks me which she did.. anyway, i wont go into details but of course i am "not going to change her mind" and "why is it that you can't see when very smart people can?

" yada yada yada.

you probably can imagine.. it makes me so depressed.

Bugbear

NikL

It seems that we are in almost same situation you and me. I started to fade gradual about 20 years ago. 15 years ago I stopped go to meetings. And I have not attended one single meeting in 15 years (except for a funeral 10 years ago.) But my wife is still in and active. All our children (6 of them) were raised as JW:s, one of them even got baptized, but faded just 2 years after baptizing. In my wife’s cong. I am a very well-known person (former elder), and the members of that cong.s still say hello to me when we meet in the town. I believe that most of the brothers and sisters know that I am apostate, writing on sites like this, but there concerns are not my faith or my apostate. They are more concern about the influence our family has over my wife’s faith. According to the rules as I know them, the only reason for divorce is if your faith is at stake, by continuing living with an apostate. If so, you have the right to separate….but, but, but, if my wife choses that deal, she will lose her whole family…children, grandchildren and the men she has lived with for over 40 years. And she can´t take that. So, we still live together never speaking about religious believes, her meeting at the Cong or anything that can disturb our relation. When there is a TV program that shake her believe system (about evolution, or other Bible truths then those she has learned) She just leave the room and come back when the danger is over. The thing is, we do not suffer….It is she that have the problem. Of course I sometimes worry over her mental health. Living in the spiders nest, must make you a little nervous. But when she realize that no one of us are going to argue about her believe system and none of us are going to stop her meeting attendance or even her preaching work, she has I kind of relaxed or loosing up a bit and even invited “her sisters” to sewing circle in our home.

The bottom line is….don´t argue with your wife, especially about doctrine matters and the borgs teaching. Let her attend her meeting, even drive her there if it is necessary. Your kindness to her makes her understand that you are in fact no enemy. Many JW,s are not in fact believing the shit they read in the WTS. They are more members of a social club that want to keep all “their friend”, and don´t want to disturb others with their doubts.

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#1 ANSWER THIS: Why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?

by EdenOne in

i'll be starting a series "answer this:" with thought-provoking questions for debate.

your arguments for and against are most welcome.. i'll start with this: .

why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?.

Bugbear

?.??.???.????.?????.??????.......!!!!

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Reasons to break free from religion

by googleTTATT in

i am compiling my list.

you can add yours if you like to.. 1. the hypocrisy in religion.. 2. religion make good people bad and bad people worse and worse people worst.. 3. the false dates given in religion.. 4. religions use their fundamental books to suit their beliefs.. 5. wrong and distorted views about sexual life.

the list goes on.

Bugbear

Figuratively a religious mind is a big pink elephant inside your head that blocks all new and fertile ideas, that the rest of human world is in desperate need of to survive and live a “the good life”.

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Local Elder Mentions this Site from the Platform

by James Jack in

a local elder had the part this week on the "good news" brochure.

he said: "if the householder has any questions, direct them to jw.org, don't say, just look up jehovah's witnesses on the internet(an older sister said this at the door), if you do they will be directed to a site visited by apostates and weak witnesses!

" "this mistake, would cause the householder to never accept bible truth".. i thought to myself, wow, i'm sure some listening to this part, will get curious now(many in the hall are just being exposed to the internet, and practicing with their new tablets) and do, just what they were told not to do..

Bugbear

Don´t look at the pink elephant in that corner there

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Is ignorance an excuse?

by stuckinarut2 in

i have always maintained that i hold nothing personally against individual witnesses, even those that have actively slandered our name and reputation based on the actions of some individuals.. i have often said that all these ones, (even the ones spreading gossip), are victims of the culture of the organization, and the directions of the gb.. but recently i have been rethinking this, and wonder if ignorance is really an acceptable excuse?.

i mean, with so much information now readily available about the society, its origins, its scandals, issues and conduct, is it simply ok for a witness to remain wilfully ignorant about the organization that dictates every aspect of their lives?.

is ignorance an excuse?.

Bugbear

Nonjw spouse

S K Ditta

Finkelstein

Renibow-troll

Diogenisister

Nevermind

Blondie

Wow --- perfect I have found likewise thinking people….

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How many years did you waste away in the Org?

by Tallon in

in my case; 27 years.

7 of which were as a ministerial serpent ... sorry, i mean 'servant' ;).

Bugbear

25 and fading +10,,,,what a waste of time.

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Is ignorance an excuse?

by stuckinarut2 in

i have always maintained that i hold nothing personally against individual witnesses, even those that have actively slandered our name and reputation based on the actions of some individuals.. i have often said that all these ones, (even the ones spreading gossip), are victims of the culture of the organization, and the directions of the gb.. but recently i have been rethinking this, and wonder if ignorance is really an acceptable excuse?.

i mean, with so much information now readily available about the society, its origins, its scandals, issues and conduct, is it simply ok for a witness to remain wilfully ignorant about the organization that dictates every aspect of their lives?.

is ignorance an excuse?.

Bugbear

Stuckinarout2

I am glad you take up this theme. Many JW:s are in fact ignorant. It´s those with a mental handicap, those with low IQ and those who simply haven´t got basic education. They are excused. And low education is probable one of the more frequent problems amongst the JW:s.

The ones that cannot really be excused are those who are “fact resistant”. The people who really understand that Adam and Eve was not created 6000 years ago. Those who understand that there was actually No flood 4.500 years ago. Those who understand the 1914 was not the year of Christs return. Those who know the history Russel, Rutherford, UN, and understand that the Bible cannot be interpreted as the SOC does.

These people are often people that has reached a position in good stand. Their families are the persons that take the lead and every undereducated JW:s and people with some disorder are looking to get support from these MS, elders, and “sister elder”. They have reached a position that they do not won’t to back from. They are in the top of the “pyramid”. And they don´t want to lose their “privileges”… They want to keep themselves on the top even though they know that they are misleading their flock.

If you try to give them some basic scientific information about “ice-core”, Evolutionary collections on museum, The Pangea movements, about Bible contradictions, they refuse to even “take a part” of that information. They know, if they do, they will lose their good stand in the congs. They are like the guards in the concentration camps. They looked on another site, and are trying to be excused by saying I didn´t know…

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German Foreign Office Issues Travel Warning For Sweden Due To Terrorism Risk. It would be funny if it were not true.

by kpop in

who would have thought that one simple expression, "last night in sweden" would suddenly shine the light on the cockroaches?

who would have thought so many people would laugh at the president for saying such a thing!

german government warning march 1, 2017.

Bugbear

This is really the "fake news" that D.Trump was talking about...

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Observations from an Ex-Elder Part 3 - Why not create multiple Adam & Eve's?

by doubtfull1799 in

i saw a post the other day on another forum (think it was reddit) that put forward the idea that god should have created multiple couples, not just adam and ever.

this idea was so simple and brilliantly logical, that i wish i'd thought of it, but i cannot claim credit!

but it really got me thinking of the practical implications and benefits.... if god had simply created multiple couples instead of one, he would in one foul swoop have solved the problem of incest, as well as have prevented 6 thousand years of human tragedy and a ransom sacrifice being needed etc.

Bugbear

Doubtfull

I think your thoughts have the freshness of “new thinking”. You are really trying to avoid all the obvious obstacles and fallacies, that occur in the old Hebrew Scriptures. However your new and fresh ideas rise a number of new philosophical hard nuts to crack…..Here are a few examples:

Why did the other new creations have to suffer for the sin that Adam and Eve committed?

Did God use the same DNA structures to create these “creatures” as he obvious did with Adam and Eve.

On witch branch on the evolutionary tree shall we put these new creatures? On Ape branch or Lemur branch or some other…..

When did this creation took place 6000? Years ago or 25.000 years ago? Scientist says that they definitely, can find traces of human activity in some caves in in southern France, and in Turkey from not less then 25.000 years ( agriculture/hunting socit)…Not to say almost all agree on the fact that humans have originated in Africa.

If the Bible is incorrect when it describes the creation of the first humans, how can we trust it in any other way?

If the other creations were Gods “children” why did he only concentrate his efforts to raise Adam and Eve´s offspring?

In this mish mash of raising questions, for me, the only possible answer is “He/She didn´t create anything at all”….The billions of different specimen started with some “bacteria’s” some 3.7 billion years ago now in what is now placed in upper east Canada…. It started the creation of a (not a ladder) but of a gigantic three with millions of branches.

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What did President Trump say about Sweden?

by kpop in

this you will never see on the mainstream media.

before you comment watch the whole video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

Bugbear

Of course WTS, is a very high control religion. And of course it has a pacifistic tendency...God will fix the killing later...

But if the members refuse to let their own children take blood transfusions, if some of the members are willingly to spend their whole lives in in proselytizing new members. If a lot of members thinks "the end is soooo near now", and the others are going to die anyway soon. So if the GB body decide that its better to start the big A, by sending some suicide bombers to the UN building, I am not so sure that they will have difficulties in recruiting some hardcore JW:s. Some of us were stupid enough to bye this a few years ago .....and you know "new light" will come......