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  The Governing Body Doing The Math As Corporate CEOs

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  lett announce to his braindead indoctrinated rank and file masses the wt corporation is short on funds and so they have money problems.

  he made light of his role and the rest of management's predicament by saying on a public broadcast: "in doing the math we found that the amount of money flowing out will be much greater than the amount of money coming in at this time".

  clearly the guys on the gb have very little business sense to let things get so out of hand with tons of projects in the works and having to close all of them except for warwick, and one in england.. i have to wonder just what type of math these dead heads on the gb even know or consider when making all their plans for the future of the corporation they have leadership over.

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  I think that good old Italian bookkeeping is the principle here. There are two sides of the business. The first side is income statement, and the other is balance sheet. The first is showing cash coming in and going out.. The other shows the overall result and the total assets that the Company/business has achieved during a longer period.

  I think that the money from all these “sell outs” is immediately transferred to The Watchtower INC. in Pennsylvania (the off shore bank accounts where it can be hidden in the Cayman Islandsis not needed here, WT inc. is already registrated as a tax liberated Inc. ) , and their capital trustees specialists, consolidating the watchtower treasure funds such as the Henrietta Riley fond and others. These people are eager to increase their fond values, because they normally get paid in percent of the increasing value.

  I don´t know if any of the GB members is invited to eat a bit of this good cake, but I do know that this corporation is registered as a none profitable organization and therefore tax exempted according to US law. This is the same layout as those in Panama papers and recently the Malta/paradise papers.
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  JW leadership hypocrisy 1975

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is felt that there is one law for the rich and another for the little people who are made to toe the line.

  money equals power and it is a sad historical fact of humanity that where there is power there is abuse.. andersoninfo a few days ago produced the facts here that in 1975 the watchtower had spent nearly 2 million dollars to buy the neo baroque building in new york known as the towers.

  when they sold it recently for 200 million dollars they made a profit of more than 10,000%.

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  I think that in good old Italian bookkeeping there are two sides of the business. The first side is income statement, and the other is balance sheet. The first is showing cash coming in and going out.. The other shows the overall result and the total assets that the Company/business has achieved during a longer period.

  I think that the money from all these “sell outs” is immediately transferred to The Watchtower INC. in Pennsylvania, and their capital trustees specialists, consolidating the watchtower treasure fonds such as the Henrietta Riley fond and others. These people are eager to increase their fond values, because they normally get paid in percent of the increasing value.

  I don´t know if any of the GB members is invited to eat a bit of cake, but I do know that this corporation is registered as a none profitable organization and therefore tax exempted according to US law. This is the same layout as those in Panamapapers and recently the Malta papers.
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  A Little Direction Please

  by Brian J in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i'm an active elder, cobe, just got home from the meeting where i handled the treasures part and concluded by announcing a friend of mine has been d/f,.....blah blah blah...and over the last year have woken up.

  i simply cannot spill my guts to my wife and children as it would be family suicide.

  i have zero desire to bash, spread my feelings, or become an "apostate".

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  Brian!

  Thanks for your post. Your situation is very similar to mine. Only that I faded 15 years ago. I left my books and papers 20 years ago, saying that my health and the pressure being a father of 6 children and having a full time job… made all extras not possible. 20 years later I find myself in a much better position.

  As I remember in my congs. there was a number of elders, who was suffering from the same “problem” …. None of them is “within” today. Most of them “went on pills” suffered from severe depression…

  I managed to stay outside during a long long period, trying to be nice to all the “friends”.. Not obviously being an apostate…. And the result is that all my children today are on my side. None of them are a JW,s. And to quote another poster

  Despite everything, I have never been happier (or in better health!) and our life has never been better. My wife is still active with the local cong. but we have come to an understanding about where we each are and are able to accept each other as we are. I truly hope that you are eventually able to accomplish this. Please let us know how it goes.
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  Why I lost my religion

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was a jw for over 50 years and recently just stopped cold turkey going to the meetings.

  years of sitting at the meetings with the boredom, the gloom and doom, repetition of doctrine, the gloom and doom, the fake love, the gloom and doom, the end being so close, do more - do more, just got to be too much for me to stomach.

  i stopped praying to god and no longer thank god for the food before i eat.

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  Sour Grapes

  Good post and very similar to my thoughts. But why blame God? It stroke my mind suddenly and intensive: “the reason for all this mess is simply because there is no God. He or She doesn’t exist.” All kinds of life from flowers, trees, animals, humans, insects, fishes, is simply trying to survive, by eating the others. There is no purpose, there is no test no salvation,,, just the simple fact “try to survive”.. There are no one to blame, No God, No satan, no Jesus, no angels… But from who comes the feelings of love, the love for music, humanistic thoughts? Why does mothers care for their children?

  I was a member for more than 30 years. I am now +70, and I live with No God no explanation, and still very happy with my knowledge. My wife is still in, but all my children have been saved, and so my grand children… will come back with more thoughts
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  The wonder of scientific research

  by amicabl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this has possibly been brought up before however here goes.. constant reference is made by many posters to scientific research as being the only way to prove something factual that would otherwise have to be taken on faith.

  there actually seems to be "faith" in scientific findings.. my experience over many years is that most scientific research is fake.

  nothing oftencomes of the big announcements made to raise more money.. money, prestige, pride, human error, suppositions etc., are rife amongst the scientific community.. i realise that there have been many advances over hundreds of years but humankind is in a mess, although very different to even a century ago.. the medical profession now has vaccinations for everything, antiviral drugs etc.

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  Bugbear

  The wonder of scientific research is:

  That we now know that the earth circle around the sun not the opposite

  The wonder of scientific research is:

  That we now know that deices is caused by bacteria and viruses

  The wonder of scientific research is:

  That we do have exterminate to root of Polio, pests, cholera, and lots of desaeses

  The wonder of scientific research is:

  Know the laws of gravitation and can use them

  The wonder of scientific research is:

  Now know the principles of evolution, and make us understand where we came from
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  Faith and the Bible.Is it all Just An Illusion ? With no basis in the real world ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the bible states that :.

  "faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for"...." the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld" heb.11:1. looking at the "true" history of the wtb&ts and not the sanitized version jehovah`s witnesses like to portray nowadays ,nothing the jw`s put faith in ,in over 103 years of their prophecy`s , expectations ,whether it related to the world powers , the king of the north or the king of the south ,the united nations (which they joined for 10 years ) as the disgusting thing that causes desolation,their now acceptance of things they accused christendom of doing such as using atm`s for donating funds,(they never solicit for money){ excuse me while i puke} .all of the failed prophecy`s of the the end/armageddon/great tribulation and the end of false religion babylon the great and the list goes on and on and on.. 1914 , 1919, 1925 ,1975 ,the year 2000 ,and of course since 1914 any day soon , just around the corner ,its imminent ,in our day ,it cant be any more than 5 years away .. 6000 years of human history ended in the late 18th century .

  oops sorry ,6000 years of human history didn`t end till 1975 and that is a date that would be appropiate for jesus christ to start his 1000 year reign.. excuse me , faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for ?.

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  Bugbear

  The word faith is equal to fantasy. Meaning that your brain can make up any fantasy it likes. You could be a “Star war” captain, or Henry the 8th. You could be Jesus or Mohammed…. There is no need of proving anything just relax and dream away….
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  Dietary Quirks Among JWs

  by millie210 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently had to accompany an older family member out of state to a family reunion.

  it was a big reunion and not much was overtly made of the fact that i am "misguided" and not attending meetings (lost soul that i am) which was nice.

  the thing i noticed that i was most struck by was all the dietary quirks in evidence during our 3 days together.

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  1. Yes

  2. No

  3. Dubs are always use their special needs as an excuse not to do their “engagements”. Meaning less “service ours” taking speeches, and of course to “fade”…….. I have seen personally hundreds of these
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  Is it better to have a false hope than have no hope?

  by sinboi in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just got the news.

  a very close classmate of mine met an accident and died last nite.... just 4 months after i da'd from the borg.. if i am still in, i wouldn't be so sad.

  he has the hope of resurrection.. but now that i am out, i realise that resurrection in paradise is all bullshit.. so what's next?

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  Sinboi

  Your life cannot become more ”comfortable” by living with a lie. The “lie” will always gnaw in your mind and discomfort you and make you to brood. I am an atheist, and I have no hope in God or the Bible or in the GB. I simply don´t know in a life after death, and I admit it….. But of course when I die maybe, or not I will find out…??
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  The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

  in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

  mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

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  Bugbear

  U T C

  I think you are on track to something that the GB never wants to talk about….The Watchtower INC. in Pennsylvania. I know that some years ago this was a very popular treed on this site and some of us tried to get some information about this org. and its connection to GB/Wallkill. At that time some of us did publish the names of the people in the board of this organization and if I remember right it looked like this:

  • Don Alden Adams, director since 2000, president since 2000
  • Danny L. Bland, director since 2000
  • William F. Malenfant, director since 2000, vice-president since 2000
  • Robert W. Wallen, director since 2000, vice-president since 2000
  • Philip D. Wilcox, director since 2000
  • John N. Wischuk, director since 2000

  Many of us believed at the time that this organization in fact only was established to handle the many donations that came into society’s domain. Among them the Henrietta Riley’s trust found. Another thing of course is that some must handle (take care of) the enormous amount of money, that came from the selling of all the Brooklyn estates. And witch one can do it more profitable then un organization that registered as un unprofitable charity organization?
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  Did you ever buy into 1975?

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of you that can remember.... did you really believe that armageddon was going to come in 1975?

  i was a child of the 60s, in my teens in the 70s and can honestly say that i never bought into it.

  i saw brothers and sisters selling their homes and moving into rented property.

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  Yes....I was baptized 74. Very much in love with a girl who wouldn´t marry me unless I was a baptized brother. Knowing what the soc. said about 75 I thought that in a few years it would be obvious who was right and who was wrong. Unfortunately `?/ fortunately? We still loved each other and a lot of children were borne. I became an elder. And I know that it was all wrong. But how do you keep your family intact? You smile and accept knew privileges, and all admires your large family. Then you start to investigate seriously your doubt´s. This in spite of the recommendations from your Co and the GB, you start to attend University classes and finally understand that you have been cheated for almost 40 years. Even before that I was fading in the early of the 90. But know my wife is still in, alone, no one of our children believes in “the truth”…. My wife must feel very, very lonely. But we keep together, me not attending any meeting since 2000….