last night we were discussing the "new light" that was revealed to the gb recently from jehovah.
many of us recall all the co talks and elder parts based on the bible text of how a true servant of jah would not be "inactive or irregular" for years one was required to have at least one hour to be considered a servant of jah.. as the sec in my hall i recall so many times calling up friends to get thier time and hearing them break crying cause they didn't have 60min only about 45min- and they knew that it meant they were not servants of jah.
now with the new light from jw a person with only 14 minutes of time will now be disqualified as being a servant of jah.. it is amazing how many jw will view this arrangement as a "loving provision from jah" instead of realizing that thier service to thier god has been reduced to whether they get 15min or 14 min.
I like this thread. I think that JT nailed the very question. Do we have the right to take away "the wholly thing" in a men/whomans hearth. Could it break her/him down mentally?
then alwaythinking:
A man who refuses to think is a fool,
A man who can't think is a idiot,
A man who is afraid to think is a coward.....
I think it is allowed to be a coward for a 60 years old lady... But for the rest of us???
Bugbear
i ask because many a time being honest and telling the truth, even with tact is not met well - in my experience.. in the last couple of days i went for an interview with a company and when asked what my current package was i was honest and told the truth.
they came back with the exact same offer - i then asked if we could negotiate considering my experience blah blah blah - they didn't both to respond and after three emails and asking for some sort of curtesy reply, i got a very offish response.
a collegue i work with went for the same interview, lied about what she earns and they offered her a higher salary and were happy to negotiate even higher.
If you are or have been a JW, don´t tell your supposed employer that. They will never consider you for any job, that is my experience.
But truth could be expressed in different ways. Dont call a person "a layer", he/she will never listen to what you have to say. Tell him insted that mayby your are a little bit uninformed about these matters.
Bugbear
i've read the walsh trial that indicates the societies stance of ' unity at all costs, even if we're wrong ' but that sounds more like conformity to me.
so how do other religions or movements justify the range of beliefs within their respective movements?
for example, the born again movement, a massive range of beliefs, but they don't insist on conformity.
In Scandinavia, the leader (pastor) of a big Pentecostal movement, with over 20.000 people, just a week ago said that he know has turned into Catholicism. He has been the strong leader of this group for over 30 years and 19.999 people just sat down in their chairs and gazed with their jaws down looking like a birdhouse.
This Pastor was considered as a very strong leader and believer, and in many ways he was the reason for this movement to exist. Should all these 19999, now ask him if they should convert into Catholicism? (In fact I know e few of Lutheran evangelic priests in Sweden, who also has converted into Catholicism.)
Obviously people with a religious mind are not very Shure of what they do believe.(cognitive dissonance). But they are very interested in having the feeling of being in contact with god. Believing that a god will listen to their prayer, believe that god will protect them against their fear, violence, being hurt or death. It gives their brains enough, endorphins and the security that you can se in the eyes of a salvaged Pentecost people.
But the Idea of religion, god, spirits, ghosts, is mind blocking, and a “virus for the brain” (Peter Boghassian” .
Bugbear
i have a number of problems with the noah's ark story that i could never find the answer to in the bible and so i thought i could ask here:.
1.how did noah get animals that are indigenous to areas he could not get to (e,g penguins, koalas, kangaroos, moose etc) .
2.the flood supposedly happened around 4000 years ago but there is evidence of civilisation dating back a lot further.
Duvan Muran:
qoute:2.the flood supposedly happened around 4000 years ago but there is evidence of civilisation dating back a lot further.(There are cave paintings in France of humans hunting woolly mammoths which I have noticed weren't on the ark)
It is even worse then the cave paintings. Champolion cracken the hieroglyfs (egyptian) over 200 years ago. And when we could understand these letters we can proof that 100 years after the flood, when only 8 people survived, the Egytians where able to build pyramids and other buildings that obviously required over 10 - to 20 tousands of men labor. Sem, Ham or Jafeth, must have been very viril!
Bugbear
as the title says, share what you love about the truth!.
we know that the gb or anything else in the truth is all true and nothing is false!.
love u guys xxx.
What did I like with JW:s?
Being a traveling man, I do remember that wherever I travelled, in Australia, Asia, Africa and the US, I always had the habit of visiting the nearest KH. And I immediately, had a bunch of new friends (brothers and sisters). Friends I kept in contact with long after my visits there. Some of them came to my place in Scandinavia, and my neighbors, always wondered why I always had all these colorful people coming to visit me. I´m kind of missing that part of being a JW., but It will never prevent me from informing of the TTATT. The last ten years none of them has been visiting me, I guess they know I´m Df. And an apostap.
I guess that I also liked the pacifistic idea, no violence to anyone.
Bugbear
as the title says, share what you love about the truth!.
we know that the gb or anything else in the truth is all true and nothing is false!.
love u guys xxx.
What did I like with JW:s?
Being a traveling man, I do remember that wherever I travelled, in Australia, Asia, Africa and the US, I always had the habit of visiting the nearest KH. And I immediately, had a bunch of new friends (brothers and sisters). Friends I kept in contact with long after my visits there. Some of them came to my place in Scandinavia, and my neighbors, always wondered why I always had all these colorful people coming to visit me. I´m kind of missing that part of being a JW., but It will never prevent me from informing of the TTATT. The last ten years none of them has been visiting me, I guess they know I´m Df. And an apostap.
I guess that I also liked the pacifistic idea, no violence to anyone.
Bugbear
i have been doing a lot of research on the bible and its roots so to speak and its becoming clearer that the jews like other races took gods and stories from others and made them their own.
its also become clear that many of the books were written later then stated, like daniel probably written about a hundred years before christ and some of it maybe even after.
but what i don't get is the prophecies.
I think that you should look up in Wikipedia the site ”Ashurbanipals library” specific the Gilgamesh epos. Archeologists have found 4000 years old clay plates with readable texts on it. These clay plates were written in original 4000-4500 hundred years ago, and they (specially the Gilgamesh epos) were talking about an ancient flood, that took place during the reign of the evil king Gilgamesh. Now observe that these texts still are readable in ORIGINAL.
All other texts we have are much younger and in fact only transcriptions of transcriptions of transcription, of older translations of transcriptions…..a.s.f. In fact as far I know the oldest peace of text taken from the Bible is the P54. (P stands for Papyrus) It is. a fragment of the size of your credit card, and it is dated to probably somewhere year 100 after Christ. What has happened with the original text during that time journey, we haven´t a clue. But those clay plates or cylinders are original documents, and they talk about ancient stories and scientists believe that even the Bible has got its story about the flood from these plates. Even the Plato story about Atlantis, fits the Gilgamesh epos rather good.
The fact that we can link many of the mentioned regents and the mentioned stories in a time schedule (the evil king Gilgamesh for instance), makes the Bible texts absolutely insane. The Bible is not more reliable than the scriptures of Plato and Aristotele. And we know for Shure that their vision of the creation, or the world , the physic world or the eventual the world of Gods is nothing but just ferry tales..
Bugbear
the bible says -.
john 14:6 - 6 jesus said to him: i am the way and the truth and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.. jeremiah 9:4,5 "everyone, be on guard against your neighbor, and do not trust even your brother.
Objectivetruth:
I am sorry to say that neither the bible nor the watchtower are any reliable source to seek the truth. Both of them has again and again fooled and betrayed honest humans when seeking our origin and history. Even if you seek a creator or a salvation figure you’ll be disappointed looking into the Bible or any of those societies that claim they have a truth answer. This of course also goes for all other “wholly scriptures” that only have been used to empower evil man such as priests, mullahs, presidents and Kings.
The society is even more blameful. I appear very clearly, that they only use their devote members, as slaves to make the leading (GB/directors of the treasure dept), even more rich. (compare the fortunes of the Catholic church). Free labors are very god to build new buildings. KH, Assembly halls, churches, branch offices a.s.f. who easily could be sold for millions of dollars. This without any tax accounting, or statement of finances to their members.
Bugbear
i happen to work with my father, and today we got into another debate about the origin of life.
during the debate, while rebutting a lot of creationist canards, he said that mutations are always harmful to an organism.. .
after he left i sent him a quick email with a link to talk origins on the subject of mutations.
Pyramid God quoting:
because as soon as you supply the evidence they so desperately require, they will delete it if it doesn't follow their preconceived notions.
This is my experience to. I have often invited "old Friends" to go to an Evulotion Museum not far away from where I live. Everyone of them has rejected the idea, becouse the know they are only lying.
But what about if you bring up the qeustion of mutating viruses? Every year we have to find out new vaccines to protect us against, the next generation of viruses.
Bugbear
i think i typically don't want to be either love bombed or questioned.
i happen to see jws a lot while visiting my mom.
they don't go there with me, which works well for all concerned..
I dont try to avoid them, they try to avoide me!!! And when they accidently run into me, they look very uncomfortable.
Bugbear
