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  Does Good exist?

  by Bugbear in

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  atheists, deists, or believer.....basic philosophic ground .

  either good exist, or has never been, or is dead.

  those are he the three basic premises that we all humans must take a stand to.

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  Stillin!

  I am sorry to say that english is not my mother toungue. I mean God, but is God good?

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  Does Good exist?

  by Bugbear in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  atheists, deists, or believer.....basic philosophic ground .

  either good exist, or has never been, or is dead.

  those are he the three basic premises that we all humans must take a stand to.

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  Atheists, deists, or believer…..basic philosophic ground

  Either good exist, or has never been, or is dead. Those are he the three basic premises that we all humans must take a stand to. Reasoning about these three premises will help us understand all the problems that life brings to us humans and all the rest of “the creation” that exists.

  That life is for most of us living creatures quite dreadful and scaring is quite obvious for most of us Homo sapiens. It was obvious for Gautama Siddhartha, and most of all other religions are trying to explain these our difficulties with the anger of Good or that Good is punish us so that learn how to obey his laws and commandment. In fact, life is a sexual transmitted disease, with 100% mortality.

  And when life is passing by, almost every one of us will suffer from diseases, losses of friends and family. Not to mention volcano eruptions, tsunamis, war, and other small anxieties that this good sent to us in order to correct our behavior.

  Back to our basic premises, premises no 1. Good exist, but doesn’t interfere.

  This makes Good evil. He/she don´t care about his creation. He/she lets us suffer from cancer, viruses, bacteria, war lords, and everything that causes depression, suicidal behavior, mental diseases. He (Good) just sit there in his heaven looking at us (his children) generations by generations, saying:, what did I told you….what did I told you.

  Premises no 2. Good is dead. Therefore, he cannot interfere.

  Nietzsche declared: Good is dead. This because he had no other explanation to all life’s evilness.

  Darwins theory of “the survival of the fittest” was not a commonly accepted idea. Nor could Darwin explain the “evolution” with plain scientific proofs. And the very sentence “Good is dead” contend, the very essence about the concept of God … immortality. Nietzsche’s declaration “Good is dead” means in fact there is no Good, if he is mortal. The very definition of a Good is that he/she is immortal, an everlasting spirit, whit endless power.

  Premises No 3. God has never existed. There is no creator, no spirits, daemons, no “power” that is unseeingly from us, and that life is a spontaneous, randomness result of “atomic energies” that can occur in any carbon/oxygen/hydrogen atmosphere.

  From a philosophical point of view, this premises, this is the only alternative, that helps us get rid of the “theodice-problem”. God is not responsible , for not intervene….because, he doesn´t exist.

  How do you reason on these philosophical questions?

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  Has this been discussed, the WT Letter about use of K.Halls ?

  by Phizzy in

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  It simply means that they will close every KH that is not profitable and make the oldies go to another KH 100 kms/away.

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  The Kingdom Halls are empty

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my jw spies tell me that the kingdom halls are empty compared to how they used to be, since i left 5 years ago.

  not saying they're empty because of me though.. is that what you are hearing?.

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  In my home KH, (left 15years ago) there were in or about 60 publishers. We decided to build a new KH. The first two years attendances were at least about 45-50 each meeting. This was 1990. Today same KH, but only 20-25 attendances, mostly very old people. This in a city in the midst of Sweden, with 20.000 citizens. I´ll bet they will close and sell this KH for at least EUR 250.000:-. 100% of this KH was built with the money and labor that these “oldies” gave away to the Kingdom of God. I wonder what the feel when they realize that next meeting will be in another city 100 kms/away.

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  So much "growth"! JW Land double sided coin

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm finding it more and more funny how every wt article for the public or congregation, including jw broadcast talks about all this "growth" and how fast jehovha's organization is speeding up!

  yet everything behind closed doors, insider information, elder letters and sales paint a very different picture.

  i have news for you gb members!

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  Thanks Berrygerry

  The declaine is obvious in the reddit.com, and the Stockholm meeting was very much advertised to be the s.called big event in scandinavia for this decade.... probably there is way many waited to be babtized here in stockholm. But obviously not enoght to keep the memberstock intact!

  Regards

  Bugbear
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  So much "growth"! JW Land double sided coin

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm finding it more and more funny how every wt article for the public or congregation, including jw broadcast talks about all this "growth" and how fast jehovha's organization is speeding up!

  yet everything behind closed doors, insider information, elder letters and sales paint a very different picture.

  i have news for you gb members!

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  Here is a little contribution to all your figures. In the Nordic conference held in Stockholm 3-4th July, in or about 50.000 persons were present. These people came mainly from Northern Europe. Totally there were there 400 people baptized. These 400 is 0.8% of all attendees.!!! Normally If people wants to become baptized they do it during the summer conference. Meaning that there are very few new left in the area, that will become baptized during the rest of the year. 400 hundred people baptized is in other word a catastrophe… I think that the death rate (at least among JW,s) is quite a bit higher. The organization is definitely declining in the northern hemisphere. And that’s where the the money are.

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  Name "UNWRITTEN" Rules That JWs Are Supposed To Follow

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as with the scribes and pharisees, there are a number of unwritten rules that witnesses are supposed to follow.

  here's a couple : "worldly" kids in society depictions are shown quite often wearing their baseball caps backwards.

  jehovah's witness youths would not want to imitate that "look".

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  InquiryMan

  I agree with your laid back “Scandinavian” attitude. But it depends very much on in what congs. You were. There was a pioneering couple coming to our “needing” cong. I happened to be very interested in Egyptian history an archeology, and therefore I had some “pictures” from old ancient Egypt. Among my paintings were two plastic pictures covered with “plastic gold”. They were plastic copies depicting probably Nephertite and Cleopatra.

  One day when I was at work these two pioneers knocked on my door and my wife with several small kids at home, opened. They said that they would like to discuss some matters with her. They said that they could not accept that we had a Bible study at our home with these two pictures of ancient goddesses on the wall. And then the literary, took down the pictures, and burned them in my garden. This without asking me the owner of the paintings. When I came home that day I didn´t first notice that the “pictures” were missing. But after a few days I asked my wife were they were. She told me the story crying with tears on her cheeks. I got furious but resisted going over to these spiritually strong pioneers, discussing the matter. I preferred to avoid row within the congregation. I was an elder at the time but I know that this was one of mine first awakenings, and the beginning of my fading.

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  Bible Chronology, Egyptology and the Great Flood

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  fact: bible chronology says the flood occurred between 2348 and 2370 bce, depending on which scholar you listen to.

  fact: the great pyramid of giza was constructed 200 years before, in c. 2560 bce..

  so, if you believe in a literal interpretation of noah's flood, you believe that the egyptians built a great civilization, were destroyed by the flood in 2370 bce, and then somehow, they reappeared immediately after the flood, picked right back up where they left off without skipping a cultural beat.. oh, and isn't it ironic that legitimately studying the great pyramid of giza debunks jw mythology now?

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  cappytan

  Your are so right. You can also add to your observation, that since we have been able to decode the hierglyphs (thanks to Champollion), we can estblish quite good kingdom (or Faraho) lines from in or about 3000 years before christ??!! They are not written on paper or Papyrus, they are written of stones in original. They are not transcriptions of translated transcriptions who is translated destroyed and translitterated again.

  This is not the only original documents we have found. Late Archeological findings from the kingdoms of the Sumers, f.ex. the Gilgamecsh epos and several thousends of clay plates in cuniform letters. Saddly the Watchtower Soc. totaly ignore these facs, and we know why.

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  Top Five Things...

  by FusionTheism in

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  2. friends

  what are the top 5 things you hate most about the jw organization and top 5 things you like most?

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  Here are a few of my “hate the most” with JW:s

  1./ Their total ignorance of facts.

  2./ Their moral superior attitude over you when you tell them the facts

  3./ Their shunning of people that are trying to explain that they are holding their world maps upside down.

  4./Their continuing spreading of lies and asking for money to do that.

  5./ Their total absence of economical accounting and statement and where the money goes.

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  Article: Why More Young Women Are Leaving Church [65% of JW members are women]

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. friends

  http://national.deseretnews.com/article/4645/why-more-young-women-are-leaving-church.html.

  stock photo a kulicki .

  faith compiled by massarah mikati sunday, may 31, 2015 why more young women are leaving church.

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  Thanks for your post Barbara.. Interesting stuff…

  There is un organization that makes yearly investigations about what people actually believe and They call are called “world wide survey”. In their latest presentation some countries stick out extremely when it comes to religious believes. You will find that in the northern European countries all kinds of religion is declining. Especially Sweden is on their map extremely secular. Less than 23% of the interviewed persons claims that they had any sort of believing in a “higher power” . Less than 4 % of the populations goes to any church ceremony. In fact those JW:s who are doing their “preaching” work, are looked upon as lunatics. Hence the number of JW,s in Sweden has declined from 25.000 (1980) to about 19000 in the year 2014. I am sure that this numbers 19000 is even that a fake. Lots of “faders” are still registered as witnesses.

  Bugbear