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  Deceptions That Do Not Lead To Everlasting Life

  by Defender in

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  satan deceived the first woman in eden by questioning the integrity and truthfulness of god with words like: is it really so that god said you must not eat from every tree of the garden?

  and when eve responded in the negative and the warning of death if she eats from or touches the tree in the middle of garden, satan replied: you positively will not die.

  for god knows that in the very day of your eating from it your eyes are bound to be opened and you are bound to be like god, knowing good and bad.

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  Excellent analogy, and I agree with you. The WTS deviates from the most basic teachings of the Word, not the least of which is unconditional love. To place themselves on the same level as Jesus, above the Spirit, and practically equal to the Father as "mother", and to agressively promote the idea that not only do they speak for Him, but ONLY they have authority to speak, is pure evil. To follow that logic, if the whole world were "faithfully" following the WTS as God's chosen, then when the WTS was in error, the whole world is wrong...plainly not what God would EVER plan or allow.

  Hebrews describes a mature christian as one "who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil."
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  Apostates getting smarter?

  by freedom96 in

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  back before the internet, jw's who left, either df'd or da'd had nothing to rely on.

  they didn't have the communication with others, nor did they have access that they now have with the internet.

  now, anyone can log on, even jw's, and see sites like this one, that talk about the real truth.

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  Gig

  To quote the WTS, admittedly out of context..."Now we have the evidence, all of it, and it is overwhelming."
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  Please offer your thoughts...

  by Gig in

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  more than once in my meetings/studies with jw's they have called attention to daniel 11:35.... "some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.

  " (niv).

  i'm sure you can see how the jw's use this verse, and to keep the table open i'll withold my perspective, but please offer your thoughts.

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  Gig

  More than once in my meetings/studies with JW's they have called attention to Daniel 11:35...

  "Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time." (NIV)

  I'm sure you can see how the JW's use this verse, and to keep the table open I'll withold my perspective, but please offer your thoughts.
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  The WBTS is NOT "God's Organisation"!

  by SpannerintheWorks in

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  does " god " make mistakes?

  does the wbts make mistakes?

  this is the wbts excuse:.

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  It's the claim to be the ONLY ones who have the understanding and truth...no matter what, that bothers me so much. Anyone would expect more from the one true religion than the ridiculous false teachings of their past and present. It seems they are the only ones alright, the level of deceit is arguably unequalled. Add to that the FORCED acceptance of anything and everything they say...they even make the decisions of which decisions are of conscience?! Please don't get me started, no...they are not God's arrangement or organization. Amen
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  Almost a copy?

  by Gig in

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  do i understand correctly that the wts secured the copyright to jb rotherham's bible translation and that is what they copied for their nwt?

  franz knew some hebrew, and some greek, but in my guesstimation nowhere near enough to produce the nwt.

  so is this where it basically came from... copied then changed to include their doctrinally biased alterations?.

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  Do I understand correctly that the WTS secured the copyright to JB Rotherham's bible translation and that is what they copied for their NWT? Franz knew some hebrew, and some greek, but in my guesstimation nowhere near enough to produce the NWT. So is this where it basically came from... copied then changed to include their doctrinally biased alterations?

  One quick note, it really annoys me that my JW friend can't see the logic behind who could produce the better translation...5 guys from the same small religion with no credentials, or over a hundred highly respected scholars and experts from all over the world. Thought you should know so we don't get into it.
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  Competitive Holy Spirit

  by Gig in

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  i just read david reed's "whither the watchtower", written in...umm, about 93 i think, about the necessary changes the wts faced at the time.

  it's a good read if you haven't already.. i wanted to ask all of you which of their major teachings will be the next to change.

  go ahead and play prophet, nobody will hold you to it, at least not like we're going to hold the wts to it.. i'm thinking the 144,000 (1935) or jesus as michael.

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  Gig

  I just read David Reed's "Whither the Watchtower", written in...umm, about 93 I think, about the necessary changes the WTS faced at the time. It's a good read if you haven't already.

  I wanted to ask all of you which of their major teachings will be the next to change. Go ahead and play prophet, nobody will hold you to it, at least not like we're going to hold the WTS to it.

  I'm thinking the 144,000 (1935) or Jesus as Michael. Any other flashes guesses? In case of a tie, we'll use the membership loss percentage estimates to determine our winner. I say 35%.
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  GEEK Mail help please?

  by SixofNine in

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  quick, before comf sees that i've posted a computer question on a jw board.. so my outlook mail program is crashing... bad.

  can't seem to fix it.

  it will open, but the second i click on anything, an error window pops up that says "outlook.exe has errors.

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  Gig

  I wish I could help you...my only comment is that you are not alone with your Outlook Express problems, it's verifiably a bad system...which I know doesn't help you. If this is just a personal account then you might consider switching to another e-mail account. Your friends will understand, especially your JW friends, they're good at following. (For the record, my post had JW in it too)
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  Encouraged to do independant research? (& m...

  by truthseekers2 in

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  i wanted to share these two emails that we sent last night to hubby's family members that are sincerely trying to understand what has made hubby and i resolved in our new stand.

  if anyone can use these to help their family members and/or friends, it would be my pleasure to see you cut, paste, and send them!

  most of the info was gathered from the quotes site, although i went into my cd and library to read every article and quote before using them.

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  Gig

  What an excellent collection of WT articles. I just wanted you to know how much I appreciate your effort and moreover, your motivation for doing so. For any JW who believes their own encouragement, these WT words should serve to open their minds and hearts. We can be very thankful that God HAS worked in the WTS org...offering up all the necessary signs for ALL to see, that no, He isn't backing them. I've used this strategy before, don't listen to me...just understand what the WTS really is teaching...their words, not mine. Accuse and label me all you want, but God knows you shouldn't ignore the truth.

  I think I've seen all of these articles at one point or another, but reading them while never turning a page sure was convincing, I hope to many more people than just myself. Thanks again.
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  CO Came Over Yesterday

  by ColdRedRain in

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  not even a day after i came out of the closet, the co with an elder and his preachy miserial servant nephew (you know, the kind that's supposed to make good husbands and are supposed to be brainwashed beyond belief very spiritual and who believes the bible has the truth on everything from diet to nuclear physics?

  ) came over to visit me and my dad.

  they wanted to know why i felt the way i felt about their cult god's organization.

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  Gig

  It surprises me that the WT hasn't printed an official horribly dishonest excuse answer to the UN persecution problem. The WT has consistently surprised me having an answer to EVERYTHING, more than God Himself I now believe. I wonder if the knockers of doors and fellow man will have to go much longer without the needed misdirection light on the subject. A standardized answer will be interesting to see, but it leads to the next obvious problem...it really pulls at my butthair when witnesses have only the one answer. One would think that it would be an advantage, that no matter which witness you were speaking to, you get the same answer...making preparation or redirection easier. Yes, that's true. But it is SO annoying to see the happiness in their faces to have memorized the answer. Why am I left unsatisfied being able to finish their sentences? I guess it's because nothing has been gained for either of us, kind of like this post. I'm getting nothing and neither are you. Now would be a good time...
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  C of C & ISOCF

  by Gig in

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  question for all of you that have read both of ray's books, how much redundancy (for lack of a better word) is there?

  can it be said that they are two separate and equally valuable books or does isocf just add to c of c?

  how would you describe the theme of both, or possibly contrast them?.

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  Question for all of you that have read both of Ray's books, how much redundancy (for lack of a better word) is there? Can it be said that they are two separate and equally valuable books or does ISOCF just add to C of C? How would you describe the theme of both, or possibly contrast them?

  I know this sounds totally uninformed and possibly lazy, I'm just interested in the view of others. Also, would you agree that if there was one single book that by itself had the best chance of reaching a JW, it would be one of these? If so or if not, which one?