hello friends, .
i've been away for awhile and i've not kept up w/ the wts drama...pleasent time actually.
but i've gone this far so please let me know what significant wts news, whether big change or big blunder, has happened in the last couple of months.
Hello friends,
I've been away for awhile and I've not kept up w/ the WTS drama...pleasent time actually. But I've gone this far so please let me know what significant WTS news, whether big change or big blunder, has happened in the last couple of months. I've helped some and hoping to help others.
If no new news, then please hit me with your best joke, but don't confuse me between the two. I hope all of you are happy and well.
Gig
i have to wonder...while the living word of the bible says that faith is being sure and certain of things unseen, the wts relies so heavily and is so successful promoting the "earthly-visible org".
any thoughts itching ears?
I have to wonder...while the living word of the Bible says that faith is being sure and certain of things UNseen, the WTS relies so heavily and is so successful promoting the "earthly-visible org". Any thoughts itching ears?
do any of you see the similarities between saddam's propaganda and the wts's?
saddam's telling everyone that iraq is winning and that it is god's will, he lies and deceives to maintain his position, and he's breaking the international laws of the geneva convention.
the wts tells everyone that they are the only ones with god's backing, they lie and deceive to maintain themselves, and they break the most fundamental laws of the bible to meet their ends.
Do any of you see the similarities between Saddam's propaganda and the WTS's? Saddam's telling everyone that Iraq is winning and that it is God's will, he lies and deceives to maintain his position, and he's breaking the international laws of the Geneva convention. The WTS tells everyone that they are the only ones with God's backing, they lie and deceive to maintain themselves, and they break the most fundamental laws of the Bible to meet their ends. Love one another doesn't seem to apply to war, nor does it seem to apply to the WTS.
Would you agree that true christianity begins when two people, equal in Bible knowledge and practice, disagree on some doctrinal point? Do they continue to accept and love one another? The tremendous unity that the WTS boasts is IMHO uniformity based on fear, instead of the pure and simple Bible truth setting love above ALL things.
At times it's difficult, really a lack of faith on my part, to trust God's promise of judgement. Especially with regard to timing. I'm watching the US and others take immediate action to eliminate evil. When I slow down enough I can take comfort knowing God will do the same to the WTS...when He decides the time is right. In the meantime I suspect He allows them continued relative success in order to test all of those who claim to know better and behave accordingly. Like many of you I have been thoroughly angry with evil thoughts of my own, therefore I fail the test. I'm told to love even my enemies...the WTS doesn't do it...sometimes I don't either.
It's just sad. So many good people trying so hard to do the right thing, which ultimately is not. Deceiving themselves and deceiving others. Can anybody out there take comfort knowing the truth even while the ones who don't are suffering so? Do you see the similarity where the US and others agree that war is more desirable than Saddam's continued evil? Well, in God's perfect time, His will WILL be done.
i hope that saddam uses his hidden wmd's.
i hope even more that they're used ineffectively and no one gets hurt, contaminated, or killed.
but i try and imagine this guy facing the loss of it all, his own country and life included, why wouldn't he make the biggest mess he can before departure?
Git, glad we're clear. I agree, sometimes the written word doesn't reflect accurately, but again...my own careless fault in this case.
I wasn't so much against removing Saddam, even if it meant war, but I sure didn't want Bush to go it alone. Blair got it even worse. Really wish we had UN backing, even if not unamimous. But here we sit, reduced to watching and listening. So far the US total is 5, Brits 8 I believe, and it hasn't really even started. Very sad reality. And I think Saddam has already used missles that he wasn't supposed to have - and denied having.
Actually you're right, we're not reduced to watching and listening, think I'll have another chit chat with the Creator. And in fact prayer really is the most we can do.
i hope that saddam uses his hidden wmd's.
i hope even more that they're used ineffectively and no one gets hurt, contaminated, or killed.
but i try and imagine this guy facing the loss of it all, his own country and life included, why wouldn't he make the biggest mess he can before departure?
Gitasatsangha, sorry friend, careless choice of words. You and dedalus may not have gotten what I really was trying to say, but you righly pointed out that it was my fault.
I agree that weighing the ads and disads of WMD's for victory is unendingly subjective. I can't argue wholeheartedly one way or the other. And given that human life is at stake, it's all just one more reason (as if we needed one) that war is the horror of horrors.
Again you have my apology. I hope your nephew returns safely, no exceptions.
i hope that saddam uses his hidden wmd's.
i hope even more that they're used ineffectively and no one gets hurt, contaminated, or killed.
but i try and imagine this guy facing the loss of it all, his own country and life included, why wouldn't he make the biggest mess he can before departure?
Dedalus, yep...poor choice of words on my part. And yes again, I suppose I was being abit provocative in opening...you know how I hate starting a thread that only gets 2 replies. Not to get technical but my second statement should have read "I hope even more that IF they're used ineffectively..." and not "I hope even more that they're used ineffectively..." Got me there, I'm the one that should have re-read. I admit it sounded like I still wanted them used and basically restated my first. Sorry 'bout that, I did sound like an id.
Actually I'm not very politically motivated, so it's not egg on the US's face that I care about. It's the international condemnation along with more expectation of terrorism that I'm worried about. This whole thing is supposed to be about international peace and unity. If no WMD's, then the US took themselves out of a trustworthy leadership role and burned some bridges.
Hey friend, your secretary's coffee was fine. And as for justice, well, as much as injustice smarts, it's true justice that really hurts. I feel like I just overdid an all you can eat, but I deserved it. Pals?
i hope that saddam uses his hidden wmd's.
i hope even more that they're used ineffectively and no one gets hurt, contaminated, or killed.
but i try and imagine this guy facing the loss of it all, his own country and life included, why wouldn't he make the biggest mess he can before departure?
Dedalus, is that really what I said? The answer is no, and I'd appreciate it if you'd not suggest that I get all giddy about the impressive war machine that the US has. It's all about justice. I don't like the fact that the US diverted from the UN and am afraid of the coming consequenses for it. Again I point out that the actual use of WMD's was my third choice, mentioned first because it's the most likely. Rocketman is right, just finding them is plenty good enough. He agrees with what I said originally. If Saddam uses them it only proves, beyond being the liar we believed, that he really was just that outrageous. It's not necessary, I for one already know he's crazy.
The message behind my original post, which apparently was poorly worded, is that if Saddam doesn't have WMD's, the US is going to be a far more desirable (and justifiable?) target. From France, all through the UN, and right down to the terrorists. The end of all this will be nowhere to be found. If on the other hand Saddam exposes himself, well you know.
For all of you who think I'm in any way endorsing Saddam's success, well you're just plain wrong. I'm looking forward to peace established, and the greater good for us all. Tell me how you think that unity can best be accomplished, and most quickly in this situation? If WMD's are used, done. The entire international community rallies behind the US, PREVENTING the unknown level of turmoil that would result if no WMD's are found.
Read it again, first choice...unused WMD's exposed afterwards(I used the word "obviously"...second...WMD's are used ineffectively(I used the words "even more")...and lastly...Saddam's uses them. Don't try to make that my first choice.
i hope that saddam uses his hidden wmd's.
i hope even more that they're used ineffectively and no one gets hurt, contaminated, or killed.
but i try and imagine this guy facing the loss of it all, his own country and life included, why wouldn't he make the biggest mess he can before departure?
Git, obviously I touched a nerve. Just as obviously I recognize the hazard that would/will come if those WMD's are used. I'm not so ignorant that you can correctly say I'm just toying with ideas and don't know jack about the horrors of war. Why do you think my subject line read as it did...meaning you'd have to read ALL of what I said before you reacted to the first sentence.
Think for just a moment what the exposure of those WMD would do. Even terrorists would have to say, "Oh man, that hurts." The rest of the world could and would then be UNITED. Justice is established, peace and stability are reaffirmed. It would rid the U.S. of the infidel image...no, not completely but what else would accomplish as much?
I honestly do sympathize with you and your nephew, along with every other individual, whether us or them, in the line of fire. Re-read, you'll probably agree with my first two choices. Sorry my third offended you so, but I'll not admit to being stupid...at least in this case. IMHO your response was emotional, but I understand. I don't have any relatives over there.
Bruce, any of this making sense to you? I certainly do understand Saddam's character, that's why I expect the WMD's to be used. This is military for us, it's wholly political for him.
i hope that saddam uses his hidden wmd's.
i hope even more that they're used ineffectively and no one gets hurt, contaminated, or killed.
but i try and imagine this guy facing the loss of it all, his own country and life included, why wouldn't he make the biggest mess he can before departure?
I hope that Saddam uses his hidden WMD's. I hope even more that they're used ineffectively and no one gets hurt, contaminated, or killed. But I try and imagine this guy facing the loss of it all, his own country and life included, why wouldn't he make the biggest mess he can before departure? A blaze of chemical and biological glory. Again, I hope he does so it's clear to the world the U.S. did the right thing. I'm afraid of what will happen if he's eliminated and there are no WMD's found. But if used or found, I'm sure Bush's speechwriters will hide "We told you so" at least as well as the WTS can hide their real agenda.
Even better obviously would be the unused WMD's are discovered and exposed after the war, it's just not a likely scenario. Saddam's dumb but he's not stupid.
it seems the wts makes frequent use of the concept of -and even the word- "progressive".
everything except the claimed "appointment" as the fds is progressively enlightened and progressively revealed.
not surprisingly the positive spin is maintained while progressively changing (don't forget willingly) no matter the previous point of (required) view.
NeonMadman, thank you for the info and the laughs. I'm not sure which I appreciated more.
