i received the following e-mail from steven hassan.
he read farkel's post about the judge banning shunning in a jw custody battle and would like more information.
i am very interested in receiving the actual case documents.. .
Perhaps Mr Hassan might be interested in PAYING for the information.
Mr. Hassan does not perform any of this work for charity and from what I have read charges rather large sums of money for his anti-cult services.
At what point does his making a profitable business from this stuff conflict with the interests "helping" people to escape from oppresive cults?
Why the high charges? Does he have very large overhead or insurance to pay for - like a doctor?
Just wondering...
Donkies aren't too smart.
i would give money to this church but i am not born-again.
the world is a confusing place isn't it?
edited by - donkey on 25 december 2002 8:15:51.
I would give money to this church but I am not born-again. The world is a confusing place isn't it?
Edited by - donkey on 25 December 2002 8:15:51
if i'm not feeling any less sour.
i promise myself to treat myself.
and visit a nearby tower.
ElderRepents
I am sorry you are down. I know the feeling of despair and loneliness and fear that arises when you see reality. The reality cannot change - but we can accept it in different ways.
I have my email locked on here but if you are interested in corresponding with a donkey then please post such here and I will find a way for that to happen.
i have often wondered if many people would be better off if they stayed witnesses.
some people i have known have really gone off the deep end after they left the watchtower.
most all of my family have left now (not due to me as i was cut off from them for years) and many others i know who have left are now bitter atheists or have become pagans and worship stones or new ageers playing with crystals.
This may be your experience, but the experience of many millions of persons, including myself, is, clearly, the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the conclusion that God is active in the affairs of humans.
I assume DOCTOR that you use the word "evidence" very liberally here. Please for the sake of the less intelligent morsels such as myself could you provide a definition of the word "evidence" as well as how it is used in the scientific method and what makes "evidence" credible or untrue.
Once you have done that perhaps you could then supply the "evidence" of which you speak so and we will put it through the process of crediblility. If it turns out to be credible I will be reformed and you will, DOCTOR, will have helped an ASS to see the error of his ways.
Submitted by a simple donkey
i have often wondered if many people would be better off if they stayed witnesses.
some people i have known have really gone off the deep end after they left the watchtower.
most all of my family have left now (not due to me as i was cut off from them for years) and many others i know who have left are now bitter atheists or have become pagans and worship stones or new ageers playing with crystals.
Proctologists are DOCTORS too...
Dumb ASS
wih the permission of simon, i would like to start a thread to act as a collection of thought, quotes and miscellany on atheism and agnosticism.
there are so many other threads on this subject but no one place which one can go to on here.
i have much to share - enjoy and contribute with me please.give me the storm and stress of thought and action rather than the dead calm of ignorance and faith.
"God has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end." - Eccl 3:11Great scripture. As an atheist this has meaning for me because it is a good description of the nature of humans and the way they are programmed (I believe by evolution) to have hope for the future. As youths we are invincible, we never contemplate death as the end to our existence - there is always tomorrow for us. Sadly, we are deceived and as we grow older we realize that we are running out of "tomorrows".
Max,
Please put that remote down!! Does it have a mute button?
BTW, Max, what is your favorite pizza topping?
new strategy to da/df millions who have left.
i'm wondering if there isn't a new policy of da'ing all those who no longer attend or are inactive "publishers" (find that in the bible!).
i've read a number of threads on this board whereby people are now being hunted-down, nazi-fashion, if when queried, "are you one of jw?
I just got off the phone with an elder. Here is what he had to say (remember other elders will inteperet it differently and do their own thing AT the "visit"):
This is the info he gave to me. Take it at face value. There will likely be various approaches taken by different elders and I intend to play the game if they call on me. I will ensure the appointment is for a fixed length of time (so I know how much to burn - and I will make them stick to it because I will tell them I have another appointment to get to exactly on schedule. I will even have someone page me from work telling me I have to go in.)
If they ask the question "Do you still consider yourself a JW" I have answers lined up that suit my personal circumstances. While I cannot post these here is an example:
Elder: Do you still consider yourself to be a JW?
Donkey: Well, even though I havent been at the meetings I still think like a JW. For example, my conscience still affects me if I have wrong thoughts and it still guides me. The other day I was faced with a temptation to offer a Christamas greeting at work but I still told the other person that due to my Bible trained conscience I do not celebrate Christmas. By the way, brother (puke quietly), I have a question.
Elder: What is that?
Donkey: Well at work things are very PC now and people are fobidden from saying "Merry Xmas" but instead they have to say "Happy Holidays" now. Since they aren't saying or using the word XMAS - what am I supposed to say to them? Is the word Holiday used to refer to specific days or does it just mean enjoy your time off?
Before they know it we will have burned up the allotted time and I will have appeared to be asking for advice on doing the "right things". If this fails then I will lie and say say YES I am a JW and play the game all over again - within 2 months I will be inactive again.
isaiah 32:14.
"the fortress will be abandoned, the noisy city deserted; .
citadel and watchtower will become a wasteland forever, .
The donkey will take over the ASSets of the WT? Anyone want to be my friend now?
Edited by - donkey on 23 December 2002 7:24:27
the elders came over this morning as promised.
he called before to explain why so as not to show up under false pretenses.
he said yesterday when he called, he was with a service group so he said he was an "old friend" and wanted to come visit.
We should rewrite the following - JWs use the same BS "logic"
