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faith and illusion

by teejay in

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on another forum, a discussion has centered on the belief (or lack thereof) in the existence of god.

a believer, zechariah, i thought offered a pretty good argument as to why it makes sense to believe.

when asked the question where did god come from, zechariah said

donkey

Time is only made possible by measuring the relative motion between a moving celestial body and [ultimately] a non-moving, stationary one.

So if an astronaut is sent to another galaxy (where the earth and the sun in our solar system have no effect), thus changing the measurements between static bodies and non-moving ones - does time change or does the measurement change? Time as measured by us on earth is based on our own experiantial situation as related to our earth and sun.

Or if an astronaut is sent out to a void in space where no celestial bodies are present or exert measurable influence on the astronaut - will the astronaut stop experiencing thought or will everything "freeze" until the astronaut comes in contact again with some celestial body and then time begin again?

Time vs the measurement of time....understand the difference - it makes it easier to comprehend. Do not confuse time (the lapse of life - from our perspective) with the ability to calibrate or measure it. Too often intellectuals confuse the two.

I am just a simple ass.

Jack

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An answer

by donkey in

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time's.ticking by, taking so long.

menot feeling very strong.

eyesstarting to close.

donkey

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An answer

by donkey in

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time's.ticking by, taking so long.

menot feeling very strong.

eyesstarting to close.

donkey

Time's….ticking by, taking so long
Me…not feeling very strong
Eyes…starting to close
Relief…strikes a pose

Blood…it’s truly red
Nirvana…doesn’t exist if I’m not dead
Watch…the blood leave my arms
Gone…each drop one of my lucky charms

Peace….come to me
Tranquility…where can it be?
Sleepy…life flashing by a million miles an hour
Reality…please don’t bring me back – life is too sour

Sadness…goodbye cruel friend
Outcome…this will soon end
Why?…don’t ask or try to understand what makes me tick
Ogre…yes I am – a deleted deleted

Solution…Ozzy sang out
Action…I’m trying it just to remove all shred of doubt
Slipping…away – the pain is almost gone away
Shivering…so cold now, even though it’s a summers day

Religion…please pray for me
Lost…all of my sanity
Sobbing…big bursts of emotion come to bear
Frightened…not enough air

So long…I’ll talk to you later
Promise…
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Know what makes me terribly sad about some on these forums?

by Derrick in

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i find something very distressing not to mention terribly sad about some of you people (and to those who are not one of these people i kindly ask to please don't fly into some "i'm so insulted!

" snit as if i'm wrongfully referring to you).

to those people i'm referring to i say: you rightfully hope for the british and u.s. military to destroy that saddam monster and its minions of mass-murdering/worshippers throughout iraq.

donkey

Does the Organization Teach that All Non-Witnesses Will Die at Armageddon?

I have had a few discussions on this subject with some JW's lately. Some of them believe that only JW's will survive and some of them believe non-JW's will survive too.(I guess we should thank God's Woman (that would be the organization in case you haven't had that drummed into you a million times) for having the perrogative to change her mind....nevertheless she is doing a lousy job at teaching huh?)

So if there are others who will survive the "big A", then who are they? I expect your answer will be that it is "those who have not had an opportunity to hear the good news". That is the stock response of some dubs. Well then I have to ask you: How can you be blood guilty if you do not preach? If people who haven't heard the "good news" will not die because they did not hear your preaching and you in fact did not do any preaching then please explain it to me. Is the paint wet all around your proverbial corner?

Depending on the reply there are some simple questions to follow...either way you as a JW will not escape large contradiction in your thinking and reasoning.

Perhaps I am not the only one who talks out of my ass...but then at least I have the excuse that I am a Donkey.

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Suicide Bombers Plea

by donkey in

you fight a war with bullets and bombs.

you may put me in graves and tombs.

but you fail to see reality.

donkey

Simon,

Since this thread is being completely misunderstood could you please delete it. The west is in more trouble than I thought if people cannot comprehend what I wrote.

Jack

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Tears

by donkey in

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surface tension too great.

so i shed my tears.

and they run down my cheeks

donkey

Matt,

Donkey, have you ever tried to get some of your stuff published ? your really good !

Thanks for the compliment. The snawser is that I have never even remotely cconsidered doing that - I am just not good enough. Jack

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Suicide Bombers Plea

by donkey in

you fight a war with bullets and bombs.

you may put me in graves and tombs.

but you fail to see reality.

donkey

Nothing smacks of nazism like a poem that glorifies people that intentionally target women and children as targets

Jelly,

It is unfortunate that you did not understand what I was writing about and how tragic it is that people feel the way that they do - they have so little hope left that they feel they are serving a positive cause by being suicide bombers.

I wrote a great deal this morning (it is not published anywhere) about how the real war is not being fought on the battlefields in Iraq, but it will be fought in the minds of Arabs vs perceived hatred by Westerners.

I have not partaken in any war threads - pro or anti and have no intention of doing so. My thoughts on that remain my own. To label my writing as nazism - shows complete lack of understanding and comprehension of what I really wrote. I apologize for my poor communication skills if I truly came across as supporting the killing of women and children.

Jack

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Tears

by donkey in

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surface tension too great.

so i shed my tears.

and they run down my cheeks

donkey

Surface tension too great I can’t take any more So I shed my tears And they run down my cheeks

What do you see? When you look at me…do you only see the tears?
Do you you keep your distance and analyze from afar? Or do you look inside each tear and see why it is that I cry?

A tear is just a sign, a sign of an inner pain Brought to bear, brought to the surface Because it can no longer be contained Instead it is a portal to the soul

Have you taken my eyes? Have you walked in my shoes? If you have then how come I feel like I do? I don’t want you to mend the hurt….just please understand

Understand that everyone is unique, everyone is the same We all want to feel needed, we all want to feel we belong Each of us has been hurt in our own way Some less, but some more than others and some fell they can’t go on

Look inside their tears, not at their tears Take their eyes, look through them Feel each beating heart, inside each one of is a child Each one of was once a child, innocent, hopeful, with dreams

Each child sought to be loved and to give love in return To find a place where we belonged, cared for, nurtured and happy Alas too many children have never realized such aspirations Instead they are now grown, have shattered lives and wander long side us

So the question for each of us: Have you looked inside their tears? Have you taken their eyes? Looked at the fragments of life that remain

Sought to help them glue each piece back totgether again? Perhaps then each of us can in turn Pick up the pieces of our own lives And dry the tears from our own eyes too

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Suicide Bombers Plea

by donkey in

you fight a war with bullets and bombs.

you may put me in graves and tombs.

but you fail to see reality.

donkey

You fight a war with bullets and bombs You may put me in graves and tombs But you fail to see reality The war is my state of mind – can’t you see?

I look up to you and you look down on me… And therein lies our dilemna – can’t you see? You may win the current campaign But as long as you perceive me as from a lesser domain

How can you ever hope to win the war? The battle lines you have chosen to draw Is where you make your fatal mistake Until you see me as equal – wonder how many lives I will take…

My land, with tank and mortar you have desecrated All I ask though is to be validated Yes, that what it takes to stop this boundless war Otherwise it will escalate, more and more

So please I beseech you I am doing my best to reach you But I fear it’s just all for nought As long as spilling my blood is broadcast just like sport

Now my time has come I can no longer bare what you have done I have nothing left for which to live As the ultimate sacrifice, I give

I lose myself, but you lose too I feel it’s all I have left to do Please Stop and reflect – I tell you today There is no other choice at the end of the day

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Down and Out

by donkey in

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what does it take to take on life head to head?.

why does one sometimes feel so sad, so lonely better off dead.

i feel like i have a hole through the middle of my heart.

donkey

Thanks to everyone for your support. I am doing OK...I was just feeling down and the only time I can write poetry is when I am down (happy poems just don't work for me).

I never meant for this to turn into a dramatic thread or a plea for support (I am pretty much a keep to myself person) but thanks everyone - your good wishes mean a lot to me.