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  "You can't believe anything science says, they're always changing their minds.."

  by disposable hero of hypocrisy in

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  i know this is going to come up in a conversation shortly, how would you respond to this?

  i've had it said to me before, specifically about health, one week wine/eggs/milk/axle grease is good for you, next week it's not..

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  • In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. - Carl Sagan, Keynote address at CSICOP conference (1987), as quoted in Do Science and the Bible Conflict? (2003) by Judson Poling, p. 30
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  A big bang from a previous universe compacted into one big mass makes more sense than out of nothing....

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i've been learning a lot more about the universe, galaxies, planet formations, etc.

  it's amazing how stars are constantly recycled, they form from gathering all the dust/gas/mass around them, the heat and pressure as the mass gets larger, producing stronger gravity, and depending on it's makeup creates fusion, turning into a star, then when it dies, it turns into a supernova, explodes, and sends it's matter out there for other stars to form,etc.

  now galaxies do the same thing, and supposedly in many billons of years many galaxies will have eaten others, and if blackholes or something pulling in all the stars and mass is at the centers of these galaxies, then eventually everything would turn into one huge mass.

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  What "makes sense" is actually irrelevant. We should all learn to accept what the evidence says and try to avoid being prejudiced by our own pre-conceptions and biases.

  I am actually listening to a talk by Carl Sagan on this very point. It was in his acceptance speech when he was was named the AHA’s Humanist of the Year in 1981, AHA Conference in San Diego, California.

  • "It's probably much better to keep an open mind and then--when the data is in, right?--then it's easy to decide [from] what the evidence shows."

  http://americanhumanist.org/HNN/details/2012-05-from-the-aha-archives-carl-sagans-1981-humanist-of-t
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  An eager Sister Pioneer approaches the BOE with her plan...

  by LogCon in

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  sister pioneer, always thinking of how to expose false religion and promote true worship, finds out that many mormons are becoming disillusioned with the mormon faith because of the revelations being exposed on the internet.

  if it is exposing the mormons, it would help to expose other false religions.she puts two and two together and comes up with a plan.. after the next meeting she asks the boe to meet with her at the back room.. ' with all in attendance brother jorgenson speaks first.... brother jorgenson: ' sister pioneer, this is most unusual but we know you are excited about something.

  tell us what is on your mind.

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  Brother Jorgenson: "That's great for everyone else, but we have "the Truth" so we don't need to do that!"
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  just wanted to introduce myself

  by TheMark in

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  i've been a lurker for quite some time and enjoy the forum.

  i've reached a point in life where i don't argue ideologies anymore so i don't have much to say.

  i've been out for decades and believe i've been mostly de-cultabilized (if that's even a word).. my family is still in and i haven't had contact with them in years.

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  TM: We should have a right to discuss whatever we choose, how else can we grow.

  Exactly!

  I look forward to more of your posts!
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  Why do "Awake" vloumes only start at 1970 on computer disk?...interesting!

  by Witness 007 in

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  yet watchtowers go way back to 1950's....i picked up three awake volumes 1967-1969 i was struck by the poor science {aluminium is posion}, demon articles and anti-organ transplant articles.

  also much was said about 1975 being the end of the system and "the generation.

  " it feels like fred franz was writting alot of these which now is plain embarrasing and better left un-published.. .

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  And for the same reason, their website doesn't have access to articles older than the year 2000.

  Let's review: It's a cult!
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  Need a native English speaker to proofread my personal statement

  by will-be-apostate in

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  greetings to all of you :) finally, i gathered some courage and finished my personal statement...at least it's in its most final state it ever was.. i would like to ask somebody, a native english speaker to proofread it for me because it may contain some mistakes.

  post it here if you have 10 minutes to help me out, and i'll pm you it.. thank you in advance :).

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  WBA, check your PM!
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  Need a native English speaker to proofread my personal statement

  by will-be-apostate in

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  greetings to all of you :) finally, i gathered some courage and finished my personal statement...at least it's in its most final state it ever was.. i would like to ask somebody, a native english speaker to proofread it for me because it may contain some mistakes.

  post it here if you have 10 minutes to help me out, and i'll pm you it.. thank you in advance :).

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  You have a PM
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  just wanted to introduce myself

  by TheMark in

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  i've been a lurker for quite some time and enjoy the forum.

  i've reached a point in life where i don't argue ideologies anymore so i don't have much to say.

  i've been out for decades and believe i've been mostly de-cultabilized (if that's even a word).. my family is still in and i haven't had contact with them in years.

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  Welcome Mark!

  You're sure right about how much the religion has changed over the years. I hardly recognize it.

  If anyone is an "apostate," it's the WT leadership. Each new regime has successively apostatized from the previous one.

  Let's review: It's a cult!

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  Deposition of Richard Ashe

  by truthseekeriam in

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  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lopez-11exhibit-8-to-dec-of-copley-iso-opp-to-plnts-mfs.pdf.

  did any of you guys sit down and read this??

  it's long but i assure you it's a great read.. .

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  Ashe: You can try to do a search for do not destroy but you'll come up with child abuse, you'll come up with adultery, you'll come up with bigamist marriage, you'll come up with slander, fraud, murder any abhorrent sin.

  Wow, would have loved to have been there for THAT MOMENT!
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  Jehovanomics RULE #1: Real Estate Laundering.

  by Jehovanomics in

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  it's all about the money.

  a simple business model.. .

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  Welcome. It would be good if you posted an explanation of your thesis in your first post.

  Your thread titles are intriguing, but the lack of exposition is only frustrating.