BOC: What they fail to mention is that the actual doctors and scientists who came up with bloodless procedures are members of false religion
And they have all pursued Higher Education!
Oubliette
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A Breath of Fresh Air... (Spoiler Alert!)
by Gustv Cintrn inhi!.
enjoy..... www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/denmark/bloodless-surgery/.
gc.
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Hebrews 10:25
by millie210 ini was asked recently by a still in friend (it was meant sincerely not sarcastically).
"but what do you do with that scripture so far as not attending meetings?".
i typed hebrews 10:25 in to the search bar but didnt get much.. .
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Don't Miss the Meetings - Hebrews 10:24, 25 Re-examined:
(Originally posted 1/20/14): I recently got an unsolicited lecture from a well-intentioned but nevertheless misguided JW friend. The gist of it was that I needed to go to all the meetings or I would miss out on "everlasting life."
I responded that I do not need to go to meetings to have a relationship with God. The predictable response was, "I could show you a million Watchtowers that say you do!"
I naturally concurred, saying, "I'm sure you could. But can you prove that from the Bible?"
After an awkward silence, my friend predictably went for the JW "go-to" scripture about Meeting Attendance: Hebrews 10:24, 25. I responsed, "Of course. Why don't you read it again and tell me what it actually SAYS, and not what you think it MEANS."
- And let us consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you see the day drawing near.
Of course JWs believe this verse is an injunction to meet at the Kingdom Hall several times a week for their regular indoctrination sessions. But it simply does not say that. According to the rNEW, it DOES say Christians should be "meeting together" but it does not proscribe when, where or how often. (The previous NWT read, "gathering of ourselves together." That's different, no?)
What about the cross-references? What light do they shed on the subject? Let's look:
In the rNWT there are two marginal references next to the phrase "meeting together." They are:
- Deuteronomy 31:12: Gather the people together, the men, the women, the children, and your foreign resident who is within your cities, in order that they may listen and learn about and fear Jehovah your God and take care to carry out all the words of this Law.
- Acts 2:42: And they continued devoting themselves to the teaching of the apostles, to associating together, to the taking of meals, and to prayers.
Note: the previous NWT had two more cross references, but they don't help either.
First, although the scripture at Deuteronomy does in fact contain a "command" for all of Israel to "gather together," a quick perusal of the context shows that this was to be done once every seven years! (Deut. 31:9-12). It simply does NOT support the WT's cult practice of multiple weekly meetings. It just doesn't.
What about Acts 2:42? This, of course, is part of the account of the unique events at Pentecost. When a person reads the verses for what they say without trying to impose on them any pre-existing ideas, a clear picture emerges of a group of people spending time together in a variety of activities. Included in this is the "taking of meals," which as verse 46 points out was in different, private homes. These people were excited to spend time together and they did it because they wanted to, not because they felt some sort of obligation. Either way, it was a unique situation that in no way set a precedent for a religious requirement of multiple meetings every week. And the context most certainly does not suggest that when Christians lived their normal lives that they were "spiritually weak" and subject to death from God for not "going to the meetings." This idea just is not in the Bible.
Again, the previous NWT did not say "meeting together," but said "gathering ourselves together." Here is another example of the GB/New World Translation Committee changing the scriptures to try and support their pre-existing beliefs.
All this being said, my friend continued to try and press the idea that I could not have a relationship with God if I didn't "go to all the meetings." I said, "One word: Cornelius."
I then explained that, like Cornelius, I had a relationship with God thirty years ago--before I became a JW! When I was disfellowshipped for several years, I rebuilt my spirituality and my relationship with God brick-by-brick, trowelling the mortar by myself. I do NOT need to go to any meetings to have a relationship with God!
She said, "Are you saying we don't need to go to the meetings?"
Now, not wanting to be branded an apostate, I hedged. "No I did NOT say that. Please do not put words in my mouth or misconstrue my words. I simply said that I do not need to go to meetings to have a relationship with God. No one does. That's what the Bible teaches."
I then said, "Look, this is obviously upsetting you. Why don't we just drop it for now." And so we did.
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BTW, the two other verses that used to be used as references in the old NWT also do not support the WT/JW teaching on mandatory meeting attendance:
- Matthew 18:20 - Jesus: "For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst."
You only need 2 or 3 Christians for Jesus to be "present." No specific directions as to time, place, frequency or manner of gathering are mentioned or even implied.
- Acts 20:8 - So there were quite a few lamps in the upper room where we were gathered together.
This is the account in Troas where Paul gave a speech that apparently was so long and so boring that a young man fell asleep and fell out of a window:
- Acts 20:7, 9 - On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to have a meal, Paul began addressing them, as he was going to depart the next day; and he prolonged his speech until midnight. ... Seated at the window, a young man named Eutychus sank into a deep sleep while Paul kept talking, and overcome by sleep, he fell down from the third story and was picked up dead.
Again, this was a one-off situation, in a private home where everyone was gathered for a meal.
In summary, when we read the Bible for what it actually says, instead of trying to interpret it to support what we think it means, a very different understanding often comes to light.
BTW, don't forget to incite to love and fine works!
And whatever you do, no long-winded speeches before dinner!!!
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Hebrews 10:25
by millie210 ini was asked recently by a still in friend (it was meant sincerely not sarcastically).
"but what do you do with that scripture so far as not attending meetings?".
i typed hebrews 10:25 in to the search bar but didnt get much.. .
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What's Your Favorite Perfume or Cologne?
by minimus init is xmas time and perfumes and colognes are on the list.
what do you really love for a scent if you were being given a gift?.
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So, are you thinking of coming back?
by kairos inthat's a crazy question.. they really mean, "do you regret your decesion to leave".. ---.
it's just an ice breaker to become nosy into one's personal life.. ---.
btw, last time i was asked this, no, everytime i'm asked this i reply with: "i'm never coming back".. they seem to hear that.. .
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Party
by Hortensia ini'm giving a party next week -- sunday, december 14 at 1:00 p.m. reason for the party?
i got a huge turkey on sale and i need to cook it.
i'm making turkey and trimmings, neighbors are bringing whatever they want, mostly vegetarian stuff.
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My difficulties in writing academic essays, contrasted with the same difficulties by NK elites
by fulltimestudent ini struggle to write good academic essays.
i'm never happy with the result of my labours.
i've had a few hds, but still feel they lack something.. for some months, i have been pondering why i have this problem, and the realisation is becoming clear that my problem is the result of having my brain washed clean by jesus for 40 years (my period of enslavement to the wt cause).
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FTS: The point I set out to make in this thread, was the experience I shared with the NK students and the influence of that experience on my own mind. To me it explains why I'm good at story-telling.
Well fiction and non-fiction are by nature two very different things. But a person can be good at both. Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise. This is of course evidence of the point of your premise. You grew up learning to repeat colorful stories; you did not grow up learning to reason with rigor and logic.
It's never too late to learn to think clearly.
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Any Guitar Players Out there?
by WillowTrees ini'm trying to understand which chords these are, in terms of piano.
it's off helmets song "blacktop".
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Spectre: Isn't the basic E chord shape by definition a power chord?
Good question. The answer is: No, it is not a "power chord" because it contains a 3rd, in this case the G# on the third string.
Guitar "power chords" are usually just the root and 5th. Sometimes they contain an octave duplication of the root.
So if you only played the bottom 2 or 3 strings of the basic E chord, then that would be a power chord.
Here's the movable shape with the root on the 6th string:
Here's the movable shape with the root on the 5th string:
Alternately they can be inverted, that is the 5th on the bottom and the root on top. (Think "Smoke on the Water").
Power chords are useful in Rock guitar playing for mainly two reasons:
- The ambiguity of having no third (which determines whether the harmony is major or minor) allows more freedom of choice for the soloist. Think about the bluesy history of rock with it's penchant to flat notes and bend them to "in-between" pitches and you'll understand how important this is.
- When guitarists started playing with increasingly more distorted tone, they found that playing the third in a chord made the sound more "messy" and that it didn't blend in the sonic mix of the ensemble.
Interestingly, two extremely distorted guitars playing in thirds works really well together, while a single guitarist playing the same intervals simultaneously will usually not find the results very satisfying. This effect can be heard in many harmonized guitar solos.
Here are a couple of examples excerpted from a Guitar Player magazine article, Harmony Guitar Solos of the '50s, '60s, and '70s:
Brian May’s astounding work with Queen frequently utilized counterpoint as well as parallel harmonies, often during the same song, and Ex. 11, excerpted from the eyebrow-raising entrance of May’s solo in “Keep Yourself Alive” (the opening track from 1973’s Queen), illustrates the point to a tee. He begins playing thirds over the tonic F and C (V) chords, and then switches to a counterpoint approach for the F-A7/E-Dm-Bb-C-F progression in the following two measures. The next four bars (not notated) find May adopting the same strategy—two bars of parallel harmonies followed by two bars of counterpoint. Bravo!
Our guided tour concludes with an excerpt from Thin Lizzy’s worldwide smash hit, “The Boys Are Back in Town” (from 1976’s Jailbreak). Ex. 12 shows how guitarists Scott Gorham and Brian Robertson coalesce during the songs’ infamous twin-guitar lead. Play through both parts, and you’ll find that the first three bars adhere to a rousing shuffle rhythm before contrasting with the dragged quarter-note triplets in bar 4. Play the whole deal over founder Phil Lynott’s A-B-C#-E bass line.
Have fun!
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My dog just died.
by panhandlegirl ini just buried my beloved poddle, little brother.
he died suddenly.
i know to most people that is not an important event.
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Caleb and Sophia meet a real, live Bethelite Window Washer! (New WT video)
by Oubliette inthe wtbts has produced another uplifting video for our precious jw youngsters!.
lesson 12: caleb and sophia visit bethel.
here's a fun clip from the video at 0:25".
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UPDATE: Window washing is STILL being promoted among JWs. JWN Poser EndOfMysteries spotted this:
