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  Disfellowshipped at 18

  by asensier in

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  2. relationships

  you can probably guess how this story goes.. i began dating a non-witness boy.

  he knew i was a baptised witness and understood the consequences i faced for dating him.

  we agreed to keep our relationship secret, which was easy considering our 200 mile distance.

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  asensier, welcome. I'm sorry for your plight. Sadly, it's a very common one: a person just wants to be themselves, living their own life, but due to the Witness beliefs they are cast aside, shunned and abandoned.

  What I'm struggling with is how I'm being disfellowshipped as 'an act of love.'

  I understand your struggle and the emotions you are going through. Although the details of my story are different than your, the end result was the same: all of my JW friends and family cut me off, every single one. There are a great many here that have suffered as you are now.
  

  Know this: Disfellowshipping is NOT an act of love. It just isn't.

  It is an act of emotional violence committed with the intent to control. Primarily, it is to meant instill fear in the hearts and minds of those that remain in the congregation and by so doing control them. It also has the secondary motive of possibly breaking your spirit and forcing you to return to your abusers (the congregation) humiliated, docile and easy to control.
  

  I feel completely abandoned. My boyfriend, despite his misconceptions about the religion, has been the only person to give me full support.

  I do know how you feel. When I was disfellowshipped six years ago I too felt abandoned. Fortunately, you have not been completely abandoned. Your boyfriend is still with you and loves you.

  You are very young and your relationship with him may or may not last, but he is with you now. Draw on his love and support to become your own person.

  What you will have to do over the next weeks, months and years is hard to do, very hard. You will go through a process very much like grieving. It hurts like hell, but in the end you will be a stronger person for it. It does get better though.

  Welcome to the rest of your life.

  Oubliette
  
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  Education Level of GB

  by The_Doctor10 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after seeing so many topics about the stupidity of the gb, just got me wondering, anyone know the secular education levels of the gb?

  are they high school level religious zealots or are they college educated manipulators?

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  Data-dog: I believe that many of them would actually be considered mentally ill, if they were ever tested.

  They believe things that are demonstrably untrue and/or in clear contradiction with reality. This is the definition of a delusion, which is typically a symptom of mental disorder.

  They think Satan and "this system of things" is out to get them, thereby exhibiting signs of paranoia.

  Although they can appear superficially normal and even charming at times, they are nonetheless completely lacking in normal human compassion and empathy; apparently have no consciences as evidenced by their ongoing, utter failure to admit to ever being wrong about anything nor ever showing any guilt or remorse; they show total disregard for the untold pain and suffering they have caused to countless millions of people; are routinely and oft times brutally calculating and manipulative of their followers seeking their own selfish gain and desires, all the while simultaneously believing they are special and deserve more and better things than everyone around them. These traits are the classic characteristics of a life-long psychopath.

  So there you have it: the Governing Body members are paranoid, delusional psychopaths and they are the leaders of a well-established religion with substantial numbers of followers Earthwide.
  

  The implications of this are obviously very serious. Anyone that tries to imitate them will inevitably end up mimicking these same antisocial personality disorders. Sound like anyone you know? You maybe?

  Induced delusional disorder (or shared paranoid disorder), also known as folie à deux, is a fairly uncommon disturbance characterized by the presence of similar psychotic symptoms in two or more individuals.

  According to Phillip W. Long, MD, the dominant person (in this case: the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses) in the relationship has a delusional disorder and convinces the nondominant person (the Rank & File Witnesses) to adopt his delusional beliefs. Needless to say, that's pretty messed up.
  

  The bad news is that induced paranoia and delusions are very resistant to treatment. And of course a person can't even begin to get help unless they admit there's a problem.
  

  There is some potential good news however: the nondominant person can usually overcome the delusions and regain their mental health once separated from the psychotic dominant person or in this case the Jehovah's Witness religion and the influence of its leadership.

  Let's review: It's a cult!

  BTW, there is no meaningful correlation between mental illness and education or the lack thereof.
  

  
  

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  The Man In The Mirror and the Terminal Patient

  by stuckinamovement in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a man looks into the mirror and considers the image that is reflected.

  he sees a model of physical fitness, good looks, competence and popularity.

  he smiles at the positive image that he perceives.

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  Great illustration!
  
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  Anthony Morris III: "...we cannot control everything that an individual might say..."

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i noticed that anthony morris iii just said on the broadcast: "while we cannot control everything that an individual might say, it is clear that over the decades protecting children from abuse is a top priority for this organization.".

  that, in my opinion, is a direct response to the richard ashe "spiritual protection not physical protection" deposition.. here's a video putting the two statements side by side.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgevpuyn7gy.

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  NG: I would say that the environment is being made extremely difficult for any pedophile to “thrive” in a congregation these days.

  That's good where that is happening, but it still doesn't change the fact that the GB has NOT publicly acknowledged the problem WITHIN the congregation and the elders are still NOT mandated reporters.

  Get the clue!
  
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  Religous Trauma Syndrome

  by Blind_Of_Lies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/religious-trauma-syndrome-how-some-organized-religion-leads-to-mental-health-problems/ .

  check this story out and please share on social media!

  i firmly believe 100% of jw's are suffering from the first stage of rts and a high percentage of people who are now out are also suffering.

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  BOL, interesting read. Thanks for sharing!
  
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  BREAKING NEWS!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  breaking news from co!!

  according to a reliable source, the co in my area says that jws may have been hearing the phrase, "final push" being used.

  what sage advice did this shepherd, duke, and "star" of revelation have to say?

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  SimonSays, if you really believe that Jehovah would use fools like Stephen Lett or Anthony Morris to lead his people, then you deserve whatever you get!
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  BREAKING NEWS!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  breaking news from co!!

  according to a reliable source, the co in my area says that jws may have been hearing the phrase, "final push" being used.

  what sage advice did this shepherd, duke, and "star" of revelation have to say?

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  "We are in the last part of the last days, so very close to the last DAY.."

  The CO's were saying that when I joined this fucking cult back in the early '80s.

  Nick Kovalak particularly loved that phrase.
  
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  Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

  by Richard_I in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

  link to video.

  i'm writing a transcript right now.

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  Oubliette

  For those of you that are interested, here is a thread I started that shows what is typically expected/required of mandated reporters, in this case credentialed teachers in California, U.S.A.:

  Child Abuse and Neglect Reporting Act
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  WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

  at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

  they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

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  Oubliette

  For those of you that are interested, here is a thread I started that shows what is typically expected/required of mandated reporters, in this case credentialed teachers in California, U.S.A.:

  Child Abuse and Neglect Reporting Act
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  Anthony Morris III: "...we cannot control everything that an individual might say..."

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i noticed that anthony morris iii just said on the broadcast: "while we cannot control everything that an individual might say, it is clear that over the decades protecting children from abuse is a top priority for this organization.".

  that, in my opinion, is a direct response to the richard ashe "spiritual protection not physical protection" deposition.. here's a video putting the two statements side by side.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgevpuyn7gy.

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  Oubliette

  For those of you that are interested, here is a thread I started that shows what is typically expected/required of mandated reporters, in this case credentialed teachers in California, U.S.A.:

  Child Abuse and Neglect Reporting Act