Posts by Oubliette

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The Many Faces of Lett

by Watchtower-Free in

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Oubliette

Thanks, Azor.

I know that often I need to spend some time thinking about things before they make sense to me.

Although I've been trained as a scientist for most of my life, it's only in the last few years as an educator that I've really thought deeply about what it means to think this way. It has made a huge difference for me that I spend a great deal of time teaching these concepts to young adults. I have to be very clear in how I use language and how I explain things.

A few more thoughts on your previous comments that may help clarify it for any that are still not getting it:

It is as appropriate to say, "I am pro-science," as it is to say, "I am anti-religion."

Or similarly, "I am in favor of education and evidence-based knowledge and opposed to old wives' tales, superstition and myth."

Sometimes we just need to spend some time with things and let them come together in our mind. Unfortunately, this is very antithetical to how we were indoctrinated to "think" while in the JW cult.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Oubliette

Not really. Reality is a concept. Science is a way of learning about it.

It would be silly to say, "I'm pro-reality."

But it makes perfect sense to say, "I'm in favor of a scientific approach to trying to understand reality, especially in comparison to what religion has to offer on the subject!"

I'm not being pedantic here, this is what science is. Scientists use the term much differently than the average person in everyday conversation.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Oubliette

Azor: I don't understand the term pro science.

While we sometimes use the word "science" in connection with a particular field of study (biology, chemistry or physics, for example), it really is a philosophical world view.

Note this definition: Science - the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

Science is a system or approach for acquiring knowledge.

As such, a person could most definitely be for or against this particular approach to knowledge and understanding. It certainly undermines any person or group claiming to have revealed knowledge and to be the sole possessors of it.

This explains why the GB of JWs, for example, are anti-science, although not explicitly. Their anti-science stance is subtle, but it is definitely firmly entrenched in their "theology," doctrines, policies and practices.

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2015-Information Needed For Visit Of Circuit Overseer-S-61-E!

by Atlantis in

no wonder the elder's are becoming burned out and stepping down!

2015, information needed for visit of circuit overseer.

.. click the green download button.. .. information needed for visit of circuit overseer .

Oubliette

Very encouraging and up-building.

Jehovah is a loving God, no?

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Oubliette

LUHE, that was a classy move. Well done!

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Oubliette

STA, welcome back.

I just read your response. Very thoughtful. You raise many good points I'd like to address, but am busy at work just now. Look for more later.

Oubliette

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Damn Satan at it again tampering with evidence!

by notsurewheretogo in

jeepers...we all know that humans have only been on this planet for 6,000 years...stupid scientists getting confused again...must be that satan bloke who goes round fiddling with all the evidence that humans have been on this planet longer than 6,000 years!.

http://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-can-t-explain-who-made-these-huge-8-000-year-old-glyphs-in-kazakhstan?.

back in 2007, a series of huge, mysterious geoglyphs were discovered in the grasslands, or steppes, of kazakhstan.

Oubliette

Cool, a mystery.

Since anatomically modern humans have been on the earth for 100,000 to 200,000 years, it's not a huge leap to infer that they had the same or at least similar cognitive abilities as us, just without all of the modern scientific knowledge and resultant technology.

We humans are curious people.

It will be interesting to see what archaeologists make of this.

These glyphs predate "Adam and Eve" so it's a problem for anyone that interprets the Bible literally.

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Special Pioneer Sister-in-Law and Husband just got their letter.

by cappytan in

jw
friends

well, my sister-in-law and her husband, special pioneers for only a couple of years, just got their letter.. her comment was along the lines of, "they're having to do this because they forgave all those kingdom hall loans a few years ago and the brothers aren't donating anymore.".

when my wife told me, i laughed so hard i farted.

;).

Oubliette

Hopefully this will help your SIL wake up. It seems that she sees at a least a glimmer of reality.

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Special Pioneer Sister-in-Law and Husband just got their letter.

by cappytan in

jw
friends

well, my sister-in-law and her husband, special pioneers for only a couple of years, just got their letter.. her comment was along the lines of, "they're having to do this because they forgave all those kingdom hall loans a few years ago and the brothers aren't donating anymore.".

when my wife told me, i laughed so hard i farted.

;).

Oubliette

It is amazing the mental gymnastics a fully indoctrinated person will go through to maintain their delusion in an effort to avoid facing reality and see things as they really are.