i'm a fake publisher.
i turn in a fake field service report.
i claim fake hours.
For more on this same topic, see this thread, "How to succeed in Field Service w/o really trying...:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/46668/1.ashx
...and now I know why the rural territories are always checked out, and no one wants to do door-to-door work.
Hey, after all, we call it 'work'. Hmmm...
one of my children is facing surgery, and when we went in for pre-op discussions and tests, we met with the anesthesiologist's assistant.
of course, we told her we were jws, and noted that on the questionaire form, but she was quick to inform me that in my state, blood transfusions can be administered to minor children in spite of the parent's objections, even if they are jws.
state law precedent has been set in this matter, and they will get a court order if needed.. .
One of my children is facing surgery, and when we went in for pre-op discussions and tests, we met with the anesthesiologist's assistant. Of course, we told her we were JWs, and noted that on the questionaire form, but she was quick to inform me that in my state, blood transfusions can be administered to minor children in spite of the parent's objections, even if they are JWs. State law precedent has been set in this matter, and they will get a court order if needed.
I was a little irritated by this, but then thought better of it, as I feel that our blood policy is ridiculous. So, I bit my tongue. The assistant went on to explain that an adult can make any decision they want about their medical treatment in my state, but in the case of minor children, the state takes over and can force the issue. How about that? Did an of you ever hear this mentioned at the kingdom hall? I listened attentively at the recent meeting on the blood issue, and I can assure you it never came up at our hall...
So, in my state, there is no point in worrying about the blood issue for your minor children- the state will protect you from the Governing Body's antiquated, overzealous, Luddite, life-threatening, and confusing rules over blood transfusions. Think about it.
By the way, I researched this on the Internet and the case in my state was won in May, 2002. The Nurse Practitioner was right about the law, too. The state can overrule in cases of a medical emergency.
And, it's actually worse. If you push the issue, and your child dies, you can be charged with criminal negligence. How about that for punishment for being overly-theocratic? The state sees you as a criminal parent if you refuse blood to your child in his/her moment of life-threatening need. I say they should go arrest the local elders and the GB members, but that's just my opinion. They're the ones to blame for this whole d#@& mess.
Now, please tell me if any of you were aware of these legal points? Also, have you checked to see if this is the law in your state? Don't you wonder why the elders in my state are not informing the congregations what the real facts are with regard to the blood issue and minor children? Isn't it odd that the hospital nurse had to set me straight on this? Please add your two cents...
i don't know if anyone else has posted this yet, but i must say, that the isaiah's prophecy books are the most boring drivel i have ever had to endure.
i don't know which member of the writing department or the gb wrote this 2 part set, but i have to say that it is super-duper-dull beyond words.
perhaps the author suffers from alzheimers and forgot that he wrote the same thing again and again and again... .
Uriah:
Your most serious posting about your schedule and activities in the field ministry and your constant devotion to Watchtower publications, and the study thereof, is most impressive. In fact, as I first read it, I keep looking for the 'punchline' at the end - but there wasn't one. So, I can only assume you are completely serious.
Now, I would not want to stumble you, since you believe that "Your Light is Jehovah", as I can tell from your user name choice. But mine (Joseph) means "HE shall Add" and that I always strive to do. Add some truth, that is, as our fearless leaders at the WTBS have not been prone to do. Ever. Please feel free to read my other postings and decide if I am meeting that goal.
So, I appreciate the sincerity of your comment and your dedication to our Creator. I just hope that you don't get your dedication to our Creator mixed up with your dedication to an organization of fallible men who claim to speak for him and claim to be especially enlightened by our wonderful Creator. They are not necessarily one and the same, my friend.
As Jehovah himself said,"When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, THAT IS THE WORD THAT JEHOVAH DID NOT SPEAK. [emphasis mine] With presumptousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him." (Deut. 18:22)
Check out the WTBS prophecies that have been written over time, and tell me if any of them have actually come true. (And, I don't mean symbolically.) I challenge you to post here a single prophecy uttered by the WTBS between 1879 and 2002 that has come true. I really mean it. Now, you may have to look beyond the WTBS publications to find the answers, and I encourage you to do so. I can wait...
More than that, my friend, I encourage you to prove to us that the date 607 BCE, which the society uses in all of its publications and in its prophetic calculations about the importance of 1914, is a valid date for the destruction of Jerusalem, as they emphatically state. Please prove that to me. Please find one shred of proof (historic evidence) outside of the writings of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, that this date is valid. I challenge you to do this, and post your results for the rest of us to see. Again, it must not be a WTBS publication as the source, as most are skeptical of the 'making of many books...wearisome to the flesh'.
Last but not least, my friend, keep in mind that you are not the only one who goes out in field service, or prepares for the WT study, or who prepares parts for the meetings, and then delivers them as perfectly as possible to encourage others in the congregation, and who takes care of other members of the congregation. That is, your brothers and sisters in need. Don't think that because one of your brothers thinks that field service is ridiculous that you are morally and spiritually superior by your works, and can judge your brother. Do you not recall the scriptures about judging your brothers (and sisters)?
When you slam me and others and call us "dunderheads" and "slackers", and assume the worst about us, and then puff yourself up to be the 'theocractic wunderkind of the world", you end up making the opposite impression, and you remind us of the constant hypocrisy that is rampant in God's "so-called organization".
Keep in mind these verses of the Christian Greek Scriptures, by Jesus' apostles. They might be more important to study than your next WT lesson, my friend:
1. "Dearly loved friends, don't always believe everything you hear just because someone says it is a message from God; test it first to see if it really is." 1John 4:1, The Living Bible
2. "By this underdeserved kindness, indeed you have been saved through faith; AND IT IS NOT OWING TO YOU, it is God's gift. No, IT IS NOT OWING TO WORKS, IN ORDER THAT NO MAN SHOULD HAVE GROUND FOR BOASTING. [emph. mine]" Eph. 2:8,9
3. "We are not dictators over your faith, but are fellow workers with you for your happiness." 2 Cor 1:24, Jerusalem Bible
and best of all, this one:
4. "We have set our faces against the shameful secret practices, we use no clever tricks, no dishonest manipulation of the Word of God. We speak the plain truth and so commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God." 2 Cor. 4:2 Phillips Modern English Trans.
May your study of God's word teach you about the true source of Christian freedom. It is not found in endless discourses, or in books, or in worn shoe leather, but in the heart.
Joe_from_kokomo
ah, field service .
that joy of knocking on a total stranger's doors to try to sell them on your own religious doctrines.
isn't it joyful?
Ah, Field Service. That joy of knocking on a total stranger's doors to try to sell them on your own religious doctrines. Isn't it joyful? Isn't it meaningful? Don't you just love to spend your time doing this each and every Saturday morning- early in the morning-when most normal people are still in bed. Yes, you love it, don't you? You feel good when you put in your field service time... You're part of the JW team!
Well, some of you may. And some may not. Either way, you're OK. You're still a Christian, if you so believe. If you have faith.
If you feel good about your field service and you pretend you like to do it - fine. Don't read further. You probably feel good about it because you have had that message drilled into your head like a jackhammer on a regular and consistent basis by your 'no-we're-not-a-cult-and-you-can-leave-anytime-you-like' leaders. Think about it.
This is where the real brain-washing begins and ends, folks. That's because most of us loathe field service, are basically somewhat shy and would never normally go knocking on stranger's doors, if we did not absolutely have to, would we? Think about it. And have you ever thought about what might happen to you or your family if the person on the other side of the door was a strung-out paranoid crackhead with a loaded gun pointed at you from behind the door? Think about it - you put your life at risk, just like a police officer does, to bring a message to the apathetic, disinterested ones in your territory who just wish you would JUST GO AWAY.
But, there's a way around all this, friends. First, you must study God's word and come to the realization that Jesus' disciples went from house-to-house to prepare the way for him. This was a logistical mission as much as a spiritual one, and it was not the proselytizing that we do now. No, we have developed our own TRADITION friends. Think about it. Remember what Jesus thought about traditions?
Ponder on whether the GB does field service. Guess what - they don't. They hated it.
So, here's what you can do - just write in whatever time you think THEY EXPECT that you are doing. That's it. It's that simple. Give 'em what they want, and don't worry about the facts.
Remember, their calculations brought you 1914, 1919, 1925, 1975, and so on. Give 'em some numbers of your own. Write in 10 hours and do 2 instead. If every JW did this, this ridiculous field service scenario would come to screeching halt and the printing presses would go idle... think about it.
Buy back some opportune time to do the things you never do for yourself. Wax your car. Mow the lawn. Play with your kids. Go to the park. Go fishing. Go shopping. Go to the beach. Surf the Web. Read a good book (non WT). Clean out the garage. Or, just sleep in late.
Of course, you'll still have to show up for the occasional field service meeting. Then tell everyone that you have a Bible study across town, or some return visits to make, and leave and go to the mall. It's that easy.
Buy out some opportune time for yourself. Get back some of those over 1 billion hours served wasted...
Write in 10 hours this month, even if you did only zero. You can do it. They deserve it. Think about it. Think for yourself this time. It's your life. Make the most of it.
Now, tell me your thoughts on field service...
i don't know if anyone else has posted this yet, but i must say, that the isaiah's prophecy books are the most boring drivel i have ever had to endure.
i don't know which member of the writing department or the gb wrote this 2 part set, but i have to say that it is super-duper-dull beyond words.
perhaps the author suffers from alzheimers and forgot that he wrote the same thing again and again and again... .
I don't know if anyone else has posted this yet, but I must say, that the Isaiah's Prophecy books are the most boring drivel I have ever had to endure. I don't know which member of the Writing department or the GB wrote this 2 part set, but I have to say that it is super-duper-dull beyond words. Perhaps the author suffers from Alzheimers and forgot that he wrote the same thing again and again and again...
Our family is forced to sit thru this crap every week, and we want to just run out of the book study room screaming by the time we get to the end. It's the same regurgitated crap, over and over again each week. Has anyone else noticed this?
Please don't misunderstand... the book of Isaiah is full of wonder, poetry, mystery, and prophecy. Some of the most powerful scriptures ever written are found there... But, what gives the WBTS the right to turn into into Biblio-gruel dosed with double-dog dogma?
We have noted that there are 3 or 4 recurring themes throughout this two volume wonder...and every chapter harkens back to 1914 or 1919 somehow... give me a break! Anyone who really studies the history of the WT Society realizes that this little 1919 event is not that big of a deal. But, no, we have to devote paragraph after paragraph to this, rather than focusing on the beauty of Isaiah and the word of Jehovah.
Then to twist these scriptures to somehow make them "symbolic" of this or that picayune WTBS event, is just the most absurd, illogical and arrogant thing - completely disrespectful of Jehovah. In tonight's lesson, for example, on pages 168-169, the scripture from Isa 51:3 about comforting Zion and restoring paradisaic conditions in Zion, gets warped and twisted into a "symbolic" meaning tied to 1919 and the anointed remnant only. What sheer haughtiness!
Has anyone with a history background of any kind noticed that the Zion (Israel) has yet to be restored to any kind of paradisaic condition yet? Perhaps this scripture has a future fulfillment that many will be blessed to witness - not this trivialized malarkey that the so-called Faithful and Discreet Slave vomits out like lukewarm bile!
Well, it just struck a nerve folks! It's hard enough to be lied to, to be treated like an indentured servant mentally, told that 10 hours a month should be our goal for field service, but please, please don't bore me to death! It's worse than Chinese water torture...
OK, that's two cents. What is yours? Tell me, do you love the Isaiah series? Or, do you like me, wish for the Reader's Digest version? Is it the best thing you ever read, or birdcage liner fodder? Speak out!
just took a look at e-watchman.com on a referral from a poster here.
whatever one thinks of its agenda, its production values and composition are first-rate.
it bears at least some of the stylistic earmarks of greg stafford.
This is not Stafford's handiwork at all, but that of one Walter Reyes - whoever he may be. To his credit, I like the style of the Web site for the most part, and some of what I read there - the UN NGO piece is excellent - and he has some non-bitter, positive things to say, too, with interesting well-studied interpretations. But, alas, I have grown cynical of anything Borg-like now, and some of what he writes sounds like he either used or now works for the WTBTS Writing Department.
Tip for Wally: should you ever read this, kill the black background, please. Go with something offwhite or even a scroll-like color instead. Just my two cents.
But, at least, he can carry an original thought in his head after years of Borgdom servitude. (Careful, there Wally, when the society finds out you can think for yourself, you will no longer invited to say closing prayer, and your privileges will go bye-bye.)
Still, it is easy to pinpoint the authorship, without any shadow of a doubt, by reading the HTML source code of the individual essays, using the View Source option. He wrote them using Adobe GoLive6 and the author is, <drum roll, please>:
<META NAME="Author" CONTENT="Walter Reyes">
Now, would the real Walter Reyes please stand up??
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attention: the british panaroma program "suffer the little children", an expose on child abuse among jehovah's witnesses in the uk and elsewhere, will be rebroadcast on channel 9410 (worldlink tv) this sunday feb. 2, 2003 at 9 p.m. est.
all dish network satellite subscribers who get america's top 150 should be able to access this channel, as may others with c-band satellite dishes (check your satellite provider's guide for the worldlink tv channel..
ATTENTION: The British Panaroma program "Suffer the Little Children", an expose on child abuse among Jehovah's Witnesses in the UK and elsewhere, will be rebroadcast on channel 9410 (WorldLink TV) this Sunday Feb. 2, 2003 at 9 p.m. EST. All Dish Network satellite subscribers who get America's Top 150 should be able to access this channel, as may others with C-band Satellite dishes (check your satellite provider's guide for the WorldLink TV channel.
i have been doing some research on the condition add/adhd and came across a list of names of people who have this condition.
this runs in my family and only recently have i been diagnosed with this , which was a real eye opener, and if only i had known about this as a child some things would have been more easily understood by my parents.
i have two children with this condition, and for the time being, have decided agaisnt medication for them.
I think I can help with this topic. My expertise is in the area of heavy metal toxicity. Recent studies have found that children with "abbreviation disorders": ADHD, ADD, rage and autism have been exposed to heavy metals, such as arsenic, mercury, lead, cadmium, etc.
Now, you might ask yourself: "How is this possible? How did my child get exposed to heavy metals in sufficient dosages to trigger such neurological and behavioral problems?"
It's easy. Many vaccines are preserved with methyl mercury, and dental amalgams have mercury, too. Arsenic is readily available in CCA pressure-treated wood found on most playgrounds, and can be easily absorbed by playing on the wood fort at the school playyard (there was one at my daughter's school, until they tore it down last year). Don't forget your deck- it's probably made of CCA treated wood, too.
Finally, don't take my word for it. Please. Instead, do your own research, starting on Google.com. Search first using the phrases ADHD arsenic "heavy metals". This should get you over 275 'hits'. Expand your searches as you go.
The solution: well, there are several and some have been mentioned already. Nutrition and vitamin supplementation is critical of course. But first, get a hair analysis done, as many parents are now having their children with behavioral problems hair tested for heavy metals and finding high levels of arsenic, mercury or cadmium. A detailed hair analysis at Doctor's Data, just one of the many labs that offers this service, is only around $42.
If the hair analysis shows abnormal metal levels, then chelation is the answer. Of course, there are several forms of chelation therapy available, and space does not permit a discussion on this multi-faceted topic. Fortunately, there is now a low-dose form of EDTA chelation available that will extract heavy metals from the body. It is called DETOXAMIN, and it comes in adult doses and children's sized doses (1/2 sized doses).
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But, even if you don't buy this product, do the research. This is a lot of current research into children's behavioral disorders and arsenic/mercury/metal levels.
And keep in mind that the body, given half a chance, can heal itself. The journey to better health begins with a single step...
Edited by - joe_from_kokomo on 20 January 2003 0:20:13
Edited by - joe_from_kokomo on 20 January 2003 0:20:58
this has probably been discussed on this forum hundreds of times - my excuse is that i am fairly new.. i have a friend who has decided to listen to me as regards why i do not go to many meetings any more.
i mentioned the 607 bce for babylon's destruction but could not remember where the 'society' get the date from.
i know some of you will say they just counted back from 1914 etc, but i have read that they get the date from jeremiah, isaiah or daniel or something.
This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. 607 BCE is an outright lie. Pure doublespeak, to coin Orwell. There is literally not one shred of historical evidence to prove this whatsoever, as it is totally incorrect, and therefore unprovable! And without 607 as a correct date, 1914 has no prophetic significance whatsoever either. Think about that!
The British Museum Web site shows the 586-587 BCE dates, too. Keep in mind that the Babylonians kept thousands of records of business transactions on clay tablets and cylinders. Kinda like the Internet in clay, if you know what I mean.
By the way, Carl Olof Jonssonbook The Gentile Times Reconsidered (Commentary Press, Atlanta, 1986), is NOT OUT OF PRINT. You can buy it on Amazon. It is the best of all references on this topic and an excellent read.
Check out this Web site, too: http://www.607v587.com/...All for now.
Edited by - joe_from_kokomo on 13 January 2003 0:55:45
still "taking the lead" in my congregation with severe doubts brought on by my.
own "new light", that is personal study on 587 bce (if you know what i mean, then you know what .
to add to that, this publicity about the child abuse issue (silent lambs) has me very.
I am new to this. Still "taking the lead" in my congregation with severe doubts brought on by my
own "new light", that is personal study on 587 BCE (if you know what I mean, then you know what
I mean). To add to that, this publicity about the child abuse issue (Silent Lambs) has me very
disgusted with the society.
Let me share with you all a true, but anonymous, story:
Recently, we went to our district conv. and the guest speaker was GB member Bro. Heard.
He was an excellent speaker, but in his keynote final address, he made a joke about the Silent
Lambs controversy and how what they were doing was "the work of the devil". This comment really
got under my skin. Made me very mad, since I had done enough research by this point, to know that
this was not the truth...
At great personal risk, after the conv. meeting ended, I confronted him in the corridor.
He and his wife were coming out from backstage. I told him he had given a good talk, but I needed
to get clarification on one point... I asked him whether or not the claims of child abuse among JWs that he
had mentioned a few moments ago in his talk were really true.
(It seemed like a good True/False touchstone question.)
I am pleased to say that he did not lie to me. He did not say that the claims were false, (as anyone could easily guess by the amount of people coming forward...) He said something about how "some of them had been greatly exaggerated, however". I pressed him further and expressed my concern that the "two witness rule" did not offer enough protection for our children... "that there would never be two witnesses to child abuse..." (at this point, his wife seems disgusted and walks off from us). Of course, he readily defended this rule, telling me that it was a Bible-based rule from the Hebrew Scriptures...
Since I had studied our own state law very recently, and was up-to-date on our statutes, I quickly told him quite firmly that in my state it is illegal (a misdemeanor) for many kinds of professionals to NOT report child abuse, and cited the statute number as I mentioned this... I described that this included doctors, attorneys, firemen, policemen, state employees, chiropractors, mental health workers, psychologists, child care workers, etc.... He, at this point, made some patronizing remark I cannot recall,like "that's good". I told him that the law does not specifically include clergy, but was it not true that many of the brothers served in these other capacities in the workplace? Shouldn't we then model the state law in my state and inform the brothers (who at present are, as best I can tell, ignorant of the state law on this topic)? I told him that there was even a toll free number for the brothers to use to reports such incidents, and they did not even have to get involved when it comes to child abuse situations- just let the police handle it, I suggested.
The conversation ended shortly after that, with me rambling on about being concerned about my own child and that we do not have enough protection for children. I wrapped up and departed quickly, as others were now beginning to hover around, and I did not want him to figure out exactly who I was... I think I disappeared quick enough that he did not get time to find out.
So far no serious repercussions yet... I probably went too far though, and took too much personal risk, but I had to get it off my chest.; I wish more would do the same ...
I think that this issue speaks volumes about the hardline philosophies at the top.Uh oh. Too much independant thinking I guess. If the word gets out that I did this, I wonder if I can impose the "two witness rule" in my own defense? 
What do you think???
Edited by - joe_from_kokomo on 13 January 2003 0:45:56